The best first programming language?

[Fovea]

C++ has the STL not the Windows SDK, and it is amazing.

[HeavenlyRage]

What language you want to do depends on your needs/wants.

If you want to easily make pretty windows forms apps, i suggest VB or C#. They aren't just for the sake of creating pretty apps, cuz they are also pretty powerful
If you want to make games easily, choose a language that was create mainly for game creation, like darkbasic or blitz languages..
If you want to be lower level, try C++ or C. like void said, you won't be using lower level stuff with C# or any .Net language.

I chose C++ because i can do nearly everything with it, as with all general purpose languages. I make games with it along with SDL, but the upside to general purpose languages with APIs are that the possibilities are endless. with a game specific language, you are confined to what the language offers, Using C++ and SDL, you can make your own things that a game language wouldn't, and you can even modify the API, but you cannot modify a language, now can you?

The downside is it is harder and longer to achieve what you want, but it is typically more efficient, and idk about you, but i feel a sense of accomplishment when I made something with my tools and tools only. With a game language it is like you have an instruction manual on how to make things.

Why do you think C++ is easy and in the lower levels? Because it is not easy it is difficult I should know because I am learning it.

[Jason]

Compared to languages Of a higher level ( VB.net for example ), yes C++ is easy at lower levels

[Fovea]

C++ design is inherently hard. Even seasoned programmers admit to this fact. Go try reading some Boost headers, you'll see what I mean.

[Auxilium]

Why do you think C++ is easy and in the lower levels? Because it is not easy it is difficult I should know because I am learning it.

Learning is easy, using it correctly is harder. Anybody can learn concepts and keywords and functions etc, but using it is the harder part. You do know what lower level is don't you? And thanks for responding to a post over a month old .

Nothing is hard. People call things hard when they are not. "Hard" things require a bunch of practice. But practice is easy. So if all the practice is easy, nothing is hard.

I didn't know any japanese 9 months ago, and i could pretty much fully understand the first 2 paragraphs of the japanese windows license agreement (all i bothered to read) when i installed a japanese copy of Windows 7 like 2 weeks ago. I learned more chinese characters used in japanese than an average highschool graduate in only 4 months. Seems "hard"? It was not at all. Quite easy.No, Really easy. I put no effort and dedicated study. My life is my textbook, living like a japanese person. That means my only media is japanese mang. Immersion is where it is at.

All you need is A good method (required!) and love to do "hard things"

A good method is important, some college graduates who learned japanese only know 260 Characters, Now that is what i call a failure. They can't read manga or watch any TV, because they used the wrong method to learn and are failures.

[Jason]

Learning is easy, using it correctly is harder. Anybody can learn concepts and keywords and functions etc, but using it is the harder part. You do know what lower level is don't you? And thanks for responding to a post over a month old .

Nothing is hard. People call things hard when they are not. "Hard" things require a bunch of practice. But practice is easy. So if all the practice is easy, nothing is hard.

I didn't know any japanese 9 months ago, and i could pretty much fully understand the first 2 paragraphs of the japanese windows license agreement (all i bothered to read) when i installed a japanese copy of Windows 7 like 2 weeks ago. I learned more chinese characters used in japanese than an average highschool graduate in only 4 months. Seems "hard"? It was not at all. Quite easy.No, Really easy. I put no effort and dedicated study. My life is my textbook, living like a japanese person. That means my only media is japanese mang. Immersion is where it is at.

All you need is A good method (required!) and love to do "hard things"

A good method is important, some college graduates who learned japanese only know 260 Characters, Now that is what i call a failure. They can't read manga or watch any TV, because they used the wrong method to learn and are failures.

Yes, we all know you're a japwannabe. /brag /brag /brag

[Auxilium]

Yes, we all know you're a japwannabe. /brag /brag /brag

It's not so much bragging, but sharing my experience

[mipje]

Lua is really fun if you play garry's mod and its easy :3

[Cyberdyne]

It's all about making sure your skills are portable.

[Jason]

It's all about making sure your skills are portable.

Your bumping skills sure seem portable.

[Cyberdyne]

Your bumping skills sure seem portable.

Well, sorry for triggering your Thread Digger alert.
The last reply was 2 weeks ago.

[Jason]

Look through the first few pages of the coder's lounge. This type of thread has been asked 10000000 times, so we don't need people continually bumping them when they have been well and truly answered.

[Cyberdyne]

Look through the first few pages of the coder's lounge. This type of thread has been asked 10000000 times, so we don't need people continually bumping them when they have been well and truly answered.

*sigh* alright...sorry for digging this thread and for causing physical/mental trauma to all those who have viewed this bumped thread. I apologize to all those who are allergic to thread diggers.