Maybe you ******s don't understand, the ban was done by dave so its not open for discussion, his decisions are final so shut the fuck up. The irc will work for him at home because he didn't use mIRC or icechat, he was using mibbi*****m to log on so not only can we not get his IP from irc but he isn't actually perma'd from IRC, but its wasn't me that banned him it was DAVE and dave banned him from this forum for impersonating him on MSN.