The 2nd Amendment

[Azathᴏth]

Collectivists vs individualists.

[Azathᴏth]

you are a dumbass

Stop behaving like a 12 year old. If you don't have anything useful to contribute to the discussion then don't post.

[Lehsyrus]

Unless I read what he is trying to push into law, I won't comment on this.... but I'm pretty sure the laws revolve around ARs and more control of them.

The issue there is the way the second Amendment is written. "The right to bear arms", which isn't limited in any way. Understandably the general public should not receive WMD's, however they should have a right to selective fire semi-automatic firearms. With weaponry above pistol grade I also believe there needs to be specialized classes involved for those people to access said weapons.

[666HiddenMaster666]

The issue there is the way the second Amendment is written. "The right to bear arms", which isn't limited in any way. Understandably the general public should not receive WMD's, however they should have a right to selective fire semi-automatic firearms. With weaponry above pistol grade I also believe there needs to be specialized classes involved for those people to access said weapons.

What about ammo?

[Lehsyrus]

What about ammo?

Standard, nothing special. People don't need explosive or ballistic rounds to get the job done.

[Empire]

If I recall correctly Switzerland's banned guns and only has around 100 deaths per year

:/ isolated countries with no crime and a low population. You could compare some Island and you'd probably get the same result.

[666HiddenMaster666]

:/ isolated countries with no crime and a low population. You could compare some Island and you'd probably get the same result.

And really tough immigration law

[Empire]

And really tough immigration law

Exactly and with a lot higher poverty level.

[666HiddenMaster666]

Exactly and with a lot higher poverty level.

I don't think I've ever seen the poor side of Switzerland

[Color]

Try to take away guns = more violence from keeping those people from taking your guns.

[scotbud123]

I don't think the right to have a gun should be completely taken away, but it definitely needs more regulation.

[Lehsyrus]

I don't think the right to have a gun should be completely taken away, but it definitely needs more regulation.

And where are your reasons?

[scotbud123]

And where are your reasons?

Well, first of all, I don't think just anyone should be able to own a gun, I shouldn't really need to explain the obvious issues that could arise from that.

But, also, all these shootings (not only just the school shootings, look at that midnight premier for TDKR in Colorado). I just think that the people we allow to carry guns have to be evaluated, and maybe even trained before hand. We evaluate and train people to drive a car, why shouldn't we do it for guns?

[Lehsyrus]

Well, first of all, I don't think just anyone should be able to own a gun, I shouldn't really need to explain the obvious issues that could arise from that.

But, also, all these shootings (not only just the school shootings, look at that midnight premier for TDKR in Colorado). I just think that the people we allow to carry guns have to be evaluated, and maybe even trained before hand. We evaluate and train people to drive a car, why shouldn't we do it for guns?

Come on now Scott, the mainstream media? That is verbatim their argument as well.

The Colorado Theater shooting took place do to the attackers mother having the weapon. He also had too much equipment than he could possibly have had. Some equipment was military grade unavailable to citizens, he had an accomplice. On top of which he also had been out of work for six months, yet could still afford his bills, rent, and the 30 grand of equipment he used to booby trap his apartment and attack the people of the Theater with.

Not just anyone can own a gun, there are many regulations in affect. The governments outlook on the situation is similar to Adolf Hitlers when Hitler banned weapons from the public. Enhanced registration and weapon tracking, used the children as a scapegoat, and then removed the weapons from every house. Right now Obama has used the first two tactics, when they eventually go through, the third will be put into play.

Enhanced psychiatric evaluations are good, however government mandates will deny the majority of the common people even the smallest firearm, keeping less weapons from hitting the mainstream public circulation.

Now let's take a look at the other shootings. Not a single one was caused with a weapon under the person using it's name, all of which were either unlicensed, or stolen. Now let's look at the trafficking aspect. An AK-47 on the black market in the US is a mere 500$ give or take. That's chump change to drug traffickers and cartels. More than half a million firearms are stolen in the US per year. Estimate this with the last ten years and you have five million firearms stolen that are now circulating on the black market. Now factor in the amount that are confiscated, and the amount for the last fifty years. Your figures will be around the thirty to fifty million mark. That's thirty to fifty million firearms unaccountable in the US, that are available to criminals.

According to the ATF, one percent of the licensed firearms dealers are accountable for sixty percent of the weapons on the black market. If thirty to fifty million is a mere forty percent, we are looking at fourty five to sixty five firearms from this one percent. We now have over one hundred and ten million firearms on the black market, available to criminals.

Nearly a quarter of the ATF's gun trafficking investigations involve weapons stolen, and a mere ten percent of that is from peoples residences. What does this mean? Colonels and higher up in the military are involved, who will not be affected by the gun control laws.

In 2001, an estimated 40% of the firearms dealt in the US were from unlicensed vendors. That was twelve years ago.

And you honestly think stricter gun control on those who legally obtain the firearms will do anything whatsoever? No, it will not, actually it is all a bullshit ploy that is to keep the average citizen in check.

[666HiddenMaster666]

And you honestly think stricter gun control on those who legally obtain the firearms will do anything whatsoever? No, it will not, actually it is all a bullshit ploy that is to keep the average citizen in check.

Lehsyrus the Anarchist