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    Will History repeat itself?

    My teacher brought up an interesting topic of where we want to be 30years from now.
    Then it led to, do we really want to be in the U.S., which might follow the steps of all other great empires and eventually collapse?

    So yea, do you think that history will repeat itself and the U.S. will fall to an even greater power?

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    Every single empire will ALWAYS fall at one point. 30 years is far too soon for the US to collapse though. We are on a pretty shitty track right now though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aborted View Post
    Every single empire will ALWAYS fall at one point. 30 years is far too soon for the US to collapse though. We are on a pretty shitty track right now though.
    Are you saying it'll take longer for the U.S. to collapse?
    Because of the past Fiscal cliff, and the sequester, with the government almost shutting down twice already in the past 2-3years
    I'm not really sure how long, but i know that it will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuxJr View Post


    Are you saying it'll take longer for the U.S. to collapse?
    Because of the past Fiscal cliff, and the sequester, with the government almost shutting down twice already in the past 2-3years
    I'm not really sure how long, but i know that it will.
    The US is going down hill due to some incredibly ignorant politicians. Hopefully we can cycle out the shitty ones, and elect people who actually know what the fuck they're doing. Don't think it will collapse as of yet, but we're pretty crappy right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aborted View Post

    The US is going down hill due to some incredibly ignorant politicians. Hopefully we can cycle out the shitty ones, and elect people who actually know what the fuck they're doing. Don't think it will collapse as of yet, but we're pretty crappy right now.
    Hopefully we will be getting a new presidential candidate soon..the last ones were shitty.
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    What? The Government wasn't about to shut down at any point.
    It was about to due to some budget issues..but they were resolved. twice
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuxJr View Post


    Are you saying it'll take longer for the U.S. to collapse?
    Because of the past Fiscal cliff, and the sequester, with the government almost shutting down twice already in the past 2-3years
    I'm not really sure how long, but i know that it will.
    What? The Government wasn't about to shut down at any point.

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    I think it will take more than 30 years for the US to fall, But one day it will. Everything will.

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    I think in the future China will be no.1. They're investing heavily in their future, making sure they have students who can complete globally, as well as investing in technologies of the future, green tech, etc.

    The U.S. spent the last 80 years after WWII becoming heavily involved in global politics and global engagements. We have a lot of resources tied up because of this, supporting allies and such militarily. The U.S. I believe should attempt to focus on itself a bit more, helping its citizens succeed, because if they don't then they'll be left with a bunch of uneducated, under-specialized people trying to compete with countries who have spent time making sure their citizens can compete globally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iverson954360 View Post
    I think in the future China will be no.1. They're investing heavily in their future, making sure they have students who can complete globally, as well as investing in technologies of the future, green tech, etc.
    The U.S. spent the last 80 years after WWII becoming heavily involved in global politics and global engagements. We have a lot of resources tied up because of this, supporting allies and such militarily. The U.S. I believe should attempt to focus on itself a bit more, helping its citizens succeed, because if they don't then they'll be left with a bunch of uneducated, under-specialized people trying to compete with countries who have spent time making sure their citizens can compete globally.
    This
    Not only that, we also don't know which political philosophy will be in charge
    Which makes it pretty scary if China decides to suddenly go back to Communism
    Also, China's labor laws are pretty shitty, and there's tons of corruption still going on


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    Quote Originally Posted by 666HiddenMaster666 View Post


    This
    Not only that, we also don't know which political philosophy will be in charge
    Which makes it pretty scary if China decides to suddenly go back to Communism
    Also, China's labor laws are pretty shitty, and there's tons of corruption still going on


    I think USA might be in for another Civil War if we don't quit fucking around like idiots

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    Indeed. If we look back to the cold war, one of our main advantages over Russia was that of food production and their dependence upon our exports. Russia's northern climate was too inhospitable to produce enough grain, therefore they bought it from the US. We basically had the war won due to absolute need for us. The same frightening occurrence is happening now with the US and China. If a war were to erupt between America and China, we would almost assuredly lose due to our overwhelming dependence of their product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iverson954360 View Post
    I think in the future China will be no.1. They're investing heavily in their future, making sure they have students who can complete globally, as well as investing in technologies of the future, green tech, etc.

    The U.S. spent the last 80 years after WWII becoming heavily involved in global politics and global engagements. We have a lot of resources tied up because of this, supporting allies and such militarily. The U.S. I believe should attempt to focus on itself a bit more, helping its citizens succeed, because if they don't then they'll be left with a bunch of uneducated, under-specialized people trying to compete with countries who have spent time making sure their citizens can compete globally.
    I can expand on your educational standpoint.

    Some fun facts about where American education is heading. New Federal mandates for the commonwealth states bring new teacher evaluations. All students in elementary and high school must take new standardized testing that is completely computer based. On top of this every student must take the now-70 minute evaluations at the exact same time. Most schools do not have enough computers to accomodate every single student in one sitting. If the school breaks up the time the students have to do the testing, every test will be considered a failure, and the students will have to re-take the test. This only leaves the option of shipping students to other schools for testing, which will stress out the students as well is not covered by any Federal backup. This will inevitably waste school budgets simply for transportation of all of the excess students. Now that the students have 70 minutes instead of the standard 40-60 minutes, they will need to sit still for an extra 30-10 minutes in front of a computer screen with nothing to do. How they expect elementary school students to do this is beyond me.

    Also, the new teacher evaluations are terrible. 50% of Literature (English) and Math teachers evaluations will now be based on student grade scores. This means if a student refuses to do their work, the teacher will be the one suffering from it. Because of this the teachers already in the field will most likely be seen refusing these classes, as well new teachers will not want to teach these courses simply because the Federal mandates that a teacher lose their tenor and even their job based on this evaluation.

    The Federal law requires all schools to have advanced specialized special education classes for the mentally inept. This is fine and all, except that the Federal government is pulling ALL funding for these reforms by next year, whilst still REQUIRING schools to follow the existing mandates. This will drain out a schools budget like a wildfire considering how much extra time and utilities are needed for special needs students. Special needs teachers cost a considerable amount more than regular teachers, however without the proper utilities to teach a special needs student, a special needs teacher would never be caught anywhere near a school without the proper utilities.

    And one more thing, to everyone who believes teachers make oh so much money, my own Mother has her Master's for every educational aspect there is for teaching to an Elementary school student, only makes a mere 54,000 a year (after 16 years of working at the same school), and has to pay into her own 403B, which NO money is put into her pension unless she does it herself. Teachers are getting fucked in this country, hard.

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    I will not be in the U.S. in 30 years or any amount of time, so I guess I don't have much to say

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    well the way obama is running things maybe

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