If you don't understand what or why the no true scotsman fallacy is, here is some links.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/No_True_Scotsman
https://www.logicalfallacies.info/pre...true-scotsman/
https://atheism.abou*****m/od/logicalf...uescotsman.htm
Your perspective is that of an apologist.
These people are already labeled muslims, both by their communities and those outside of it. You are claiming that they "aren't real muslims" so that you can try and save Islam some face.
Again, No True Scotsman.
That's all you've been doing. "No REAL muslims would do XYZ!!"
Btw Anders Breivek would be a Christian still, regardless of his crime.
Last edited by Empire; 06-25-2014 at 09:19 PM.
If you don't understand what or why the no true scotsman fallacy is, here is some links.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/No_True_Scotsman
https://www.logicalfallacies.info/pre...true-scotsman/
https://atheism.abou*****m/od/logicalf...uescotsman.htm
Great post, finally someone who understands whats going on. It is ironic that more Americans were killed in the "war on terror" than on 9/11. Officially 4489 US soldiers have been killed, 32021 wounded, and tens of thousands are suffering from post traumatic stress caused by war.
I will make a thread when I get the time to fully explain where the extremists come from and why the west doesn't invade Saudi Arabia.
Religion is different from things such as race or nationality because no matter what your actions are you will still be part of that race or nationality. However with religion it is different, if you do certain things it takes you out of the fold of that religion. We are not saying there are not any bad Muslims, obviously there are as with any group. Things like insulting people doesn't take you out of the fold of Islam, but things like purposefully killing innocent people does.
The problem is that you don't understand the definition of a Muslim. Being Muslim is not just about belief it is also about your actions, because it is your actions that shows your belief. It doesn't matter what you claim your beliefs are, if your actions are the opposite then it shows you don't truly believe that in the first place.
Science is learning about the creation, Islam is learning about the creator.
Alif, Lam, Meem. - 2:1 Quran
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah(God) - 2:2 Quran
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them, - 2:3 Quran
And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith]. - 2:4 Quran
Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. - 2:5 Quran
Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. - 2:6 Quran
It is not just religion. Another example is someone who claims to be a good citizen. There are certain things such as breaking the law that makes someone a bad citizen regardless of whether they claim they are a good citizen or a bad one. The same with religion, if you do certain things it takes you out of the fold of that religion regardless of whether you claim to be part of that religion. However it is different for nationality or race, because your actions cannot change that.
No it isn't, that is just atheist propaganda. Anti science is if someone is against learning how created things work, regardless of what his beliefs are about the creation.
Islam and science addresses the relationships between the religion of Islam, its adherents' (Muslims) communities and the activities known collectively as science. As with all other branches of human knowledge, science, from an Islamic standpoint, [is] the study of nature [as stemming from?] Tawhid, the Islamic conception of the "Oneness" of God. In Islam, nature is not seen as something separate but as an integral part of a holistic outlook on God, humanity, the world and the cosmos. These links imply a sacred aspect to Muslims' pursuit of scientific knowledge, as nature itself is viewed in the Qur'an as a compilation of signs pointing to the Divine. It was with this understanding that the pursuit of science, especially prior to the colonization of the Muslim world, was respected in Islamic civilizations. Islam and science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Science is learning about the creation, Islam is learning about the creator.
Alif, Lam, Meem. - 2:1 Quran
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah(God) - 2:2 Quran
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them, - 2:3 Quran
And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith]. - 2:4 Quran
Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. - 2:5 Quran
Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. - 2:6 Quran
Amil21_ (07-26-2014)
Science is learning about the creation, Islam is learning about the creator.
Alif, Lam, Meem. - 2:1 Quran
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah(God) - 2:2 Quran
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them, - 2:3 Quran
And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith]. - 2:4 Quran
Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. - 2:5 Quran
Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. - 2:6 Quran
Guys just leave him be. No use as its given in the Quran - V 18:2.
Please end this discussion.
Amil21_ (07-26-2014)
You miss the point of your analogy. At the end of the day they are still citizens, regardless if they are good or bad.
In a cultural/societal sense, they are still muslims. Sure they might not enter heaven, but they are still muslims according to society.
Deenislam.co.uk - Sufism
70 major sins, I could argue a fair amount of those Muhammad/Islam broke.
Last edited by Empire; 07-03-2014 at 12:22 PM.
Like first your dad and mum teached you wrong:WE ARE NOT TERRORIST READ A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US READ OUR BOOK KUR'AN AND YOU'LL SEE ALL AND MUHHAMED savs DIDNT KILL ANYONE THE ENEMYS KILLED OUR PEOPLE TO STOP THE SPREADING AND NOBODY NEEDED TO PAY LOOK A MOVIE WHICH IS CALLED "UNDER MUHAMMED ALLEJHI SELLAM'S FLAG" AND YOULL SE THE TRUTH YOUR MOTHER AND FATHER ARE THE ENEMYS OF OUR RELIGION WHICH ARE TEACHING YOU THAT WE ARE TERRORIST NO,YOU ARE BECAUSE YOU JEWS AND CHATOLICS ARE KILLING GAZA MUSLIM PEOPLE AND OTHER MUSLIMS AND THEN LET ME ASK YOU WHY ARE WE THE BIGGEST RELIGION IN THE WORLD AND WHY ARE PEOPLE ACCEPTING ISLAM MILLIONS OF PEOPLE A DAY HM? ANSWER ME THAT PLEASE?
Its quite easy. The holy book of the islam says that everyone is a muslism, but they havent encountered yet the right path. It tells to be patience until everyone finds the "right path".
Also, there are few terrorists groups in comparison to the amount of civilians in the Middle East. As in every religion, there's people to tend to be extremely attached to their thoughts, the only thing that differs this from any other religion fanatics, is that some Great Powers aided this terrorists groups to defend their national interests (Remember the Cold War?). For example, USA aided Al-Qaeda to maintan the "democracy" in these regions, what happened next... well, everyone knows it.
Science is learning about the creation, Islam is learning about the creator.
Alif, Lam, Meem. - 2:1 Quran
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah(God) - 2:2 Quran
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them, - 2:3 Quran
And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith]. - 2:4 Quran
Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. - 2:5 Quran
Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. - 2:6 Quran