god is a lie

[Symmetrical]

You Said that why Kangaroos choosed Australia to live in
I told you to ask them

Can kangaroos talk?
Please don't make jokes and please keep this discussion formal.

Actually in 1984 Cairo times reported that Kangaroo Fossils were Found

That's not true
It's just a false rumor
There is no news about it

Word press and blog spot are not legitimate sources

Answered it above

Answer it again
Since your answer has been proven wrong

I am not supporting the theory,I am supporting what i believe in
if i found that this theory is wrong then i will consider rethinking in it no Shame from that

All that I proved to you
All the facts and knowledge were shown to you
and you still don't reconsider

Tell me all the wrong things I said in my argument
Prove that the facts I told you were completely false

[GTX970]

All that I proved to you
All the facts and knowledge were shown to you
and you still don't reconsider

Tell me all the wrong things I said in my argument
Prove that the facts I told you were completely false

You proved a part of it yet you didn't disapprove completly my theory
I mean you proved that a part of my theory is wrong yet it still works

Answer it again
Since your answer has been proven wrong

Can kangaroos talk?
Please don't make jokes and please keep this discussion formal.

it isn't a joke,You asked a question which i answered several times above

[GerrysamHD]

I think that the fact there is a all mighty creator is possible, however i do not think that the way it is explained in the Holy bible or the Quran is correct i think there has to be something bigger than us out there, maybe even the universe itself

[Symmetrical]

You proved a part of it yet you didn't disapprove completly my theory
I mean you proved that a part of my theory is wrong yet it still works

What part of your argument did I prove wrong and what didn't I prove wrong?

it isn't a joke,You asked a question which i answered several times above

"Ask the Kangaroos"
This is a joke

Kangaroos cant talk.

[GTX970]

What part of your argument did I prove wrong and what didn't I prove wrong?

You proved that Continental Drift might actually not to work with my theory
You didn't disapprove that my theory of Kangaroos only exist in Australlia is wrong
You didn't disapprove that Noah,animals,etc.. actually can live up in the flood for a certain period of time and i proved that and took Mountain everest as an example
You didn't disapprove that They found Fossil of Kangaroos in Egypt
You didn't disapprove that The theory of the fossils of the species where the Kangaroos evolutionized from where found in africa

"Ask the Kangaroos"
This is a joke

Kangaroos cant talk.

Whatever
We are discussing a certain topic.

[Symmetrical]

You proved that Continental Drift might actually not to work with my theory
You didn't disapprove that my theory of Kangaroos only exist in Australlia is wrong
You didn't disapprove that Noah,animals,etc.. actually can live up in the flood for a certain period of time and i proved that and took Mountain everest as an example
You didn't disapprove that They found Fossil of Kangaroos in Egypt
You didn't disapprove that The theory of the fossils of the species where the Kangaroos evolutionized from where found in africa

1. Continental drift happened millions of years before the first human appeared.. so your theory is proven wrong
2. Kangaroos exist only in Australia and some parts of Papua New Guinea .. and no where near the Middle east
3. Most animals can't live in extreme temperatures for a log period of time. You didn't prove me wrong. Go ahead and ask any biologist if animals can live for 40 days in the flood under -17C temperature. I'm 100% sure that they will say no.
4. Show me a legitimate news source that proved they found fossils of Kangaroos in Egypt. (I did some search and found out that most of the news on this is just copy paste, so I'm quite positive that it's fake.)
5. Kangaroos evolved millions of years ago. Kangaroos were alive during the time of "Noah's ark".

^ These aren't theories.. these are facts.
Now prove what I said is wrong.

[Empire]

Prove it

Read the quran,If you did and understanded it and still you don't see Miracles,Then Debating with you is useless

You are taking a part of my words and put it and denny the other part.
I Said that "God did it" BUT WE MUST KNOW WHERE IT COME FROM for example.
If bigbang theory is right,Then we must know what is beyond it and learn more about what was before bigbang In the same time We believe that God did this

Mention it.

Because He created the universe how the rules of universe and the rule of "Thing came from a Thing" would apply on God who created this rule xD

Determinism Proves my point and doesn't refutes it

If we play you "you don't have an evidence" game then we won't prove anything

Ok i'm just going to chime in on the Noah's Arc.

(I already did this: https://www.mpgh.net/forum/showthread.php?t=809941)

1. Well nothing in science is religious. They do not rely on any religion for the sake of their predictive models or theories in any way.
-If you wish to argue to the contrary, feel free to do so.....but you won't. Because unless you skipped science class you clearly know that science has nothing to do with religion.

2. Ah the old "if you don't believe any word the quran says then I shouldn't talk to you and just plug my ears!" argument.
-Don't do this again, you just look like a total ass.
-You still failed to provide me with any Islamic discoveries.

3. You believe god did this based upon nothing. Again, your belief is entirely baseless and you just admitted that. You are adding "god did it" to the end of anything you don't know. It's intellectually dishonest.
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You admit you use the special pleading fallacy, then turn around and act like it's not a problem.

-You're an idiot.
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Determinism actually proves that god is punishing people for what he made them do.
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When you have the burden of proof and you fail to provide an argument or evidence, you lose. That's just how it goes man, you don't like it then leave and plug your ears from reason for the rest of your life.

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You proved that Continental Drift might actually not to work with my theory
You didn't disapprove that my theory of Kangaroos only exist in Australlia is wrong
You didn't disapprove that Noah,animals,etc.. actually can live up in the flood for a certain period of time and i proved that and took Mountain everest as an example
You didn't disapprove that They found Fossil of Kangaroos in Egypt
You didn't disapprove that The theory of the fossils of the species where the Kangaroos evolutionized from where found in africa

Whatever
We are discussing a certain topic.

Also noticing a constant trend of retardation in this thread.

Theist makes claims of X.
Theist does not provide adequate argument, reason, or even the simplest of evidence required for X to be true.
Theist cries that you have to prove him wrong, or else he's right.

I believe that is the argument from ignorance in a nutshell. "I can't prove it, but unless you prove me wrong I'm still right!"


PS: He actually proved all that wrong, sorry. You lost on all of those points already.

[Gaydow]

I`m agnostic but I would say there is a god, I`ve heard rumors about the sikh scripture. Apparently they`re god wrote in their `bible`and it everything said in it agrees with the current science we know.

Edit: Just researched, I don`t know if this is true but it says in their scripture that there are millions and billions of stars and planets I`m not gonna go further into but here`s the link.

https://www.realsikhism.com/index.php...8124792&ucat=5

There are times when I zone out and you know those moments when you have intense thoughts, Why does `everything`exist, why is this something and not nothing, Probably sound like i`m a retard but i`m pretty sure some of you have had these moments.

[DavidSulina]

God exists cause i've seen kangaroos. They are special.

[Empire]

I`m agnostic but I would say there is a god.

Ok kid, you need to learn what "agnostic" means.

[GTX970]

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Ok i'm just going to chime in on the Noah's Arc.

(I already did this: https://www.mpgh.net/forum/showthread.php?t=809941)

1. Well nothing in science is religious. They do not rely on any religion for the sake of their predictive models or theories in any way.
-If you wish to argue to the contrary, feel free to do so.....but you won't. Because unless you skipped science class you clearly know that science has nothing to do with religion.

2. Ah the old "if you don't believe any word the quran says then I shouldn't talk to you and just plug my ears!" argument.
-Don't do this again, you just look like a total ass.
-You still failed to provide me with any Islamic discoveries.

3. You believe god did this based upon nothing. Again, your belief is entirely baseless and you just admitted that. You are adding "god did it" to the end of anything you don't know. It's intellectually dishonest.
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You admit you use the special pleading fallacy, then turn around and act like it's not a problem.

-You're an idiot.
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Determinism actually proves that god is punishing people for what he made them do.
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When you have the burden of proof and you fail to provide an argument or evidence, you lose. That's just how it goes man, you don't like it then leave and plug your ears from reason for the rest of your life.

1. Religions are the first Source that made Learning is a Duty on every one since Adam decended on earth (If you even believe in Adam and Eve)
So how Religions have nothing to do with Science

2. Epic Fail, "Plug your ears" First I didn't say so Second If you read the quran (Probably you didn't) and you don't find a mircale in it you are blind
-Don't do this again, you just look like a total ... (Give Respect Get Respected)
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age + MIracles in the Quran that are still been Discovered by current Scientists



You are considering it Special Pleading MeanWhile you can't realize the fact that Creator can't be Created


-You're an ..... (Give Respect Get Respected)



Determinism is proved to be right only on the scale of the Laws that we know (Like the Orange Example)
Meanwhile you can't predict What you will do next like Standing up staying down etc..

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Also noticing a constant trend of retardation in this thread.

Theist makes claims of X.
Theist does not provide adequate argument, reason, or even the simplest of evidence required for X to be true.
Theist cries that you have to prove him wrong, or else he's right.

I believe that is the argument from ignorance in a nutshell. "I can't prove it, but unless you prove me wrong I'm still right!"

You are an Example for an Arrogant who think that he is right all the way and it can be seen easily in your last sentence
You can't confess that even religions have Grace on Humanity even you don't believe in it
I don't care about you believe in religion or not what makes me laugh that you cut parts of my point and turn it on your side

[Empire]

1. Religions are the first Source that made Learning is a Duty on every one since Adam decended on earth (If you even believe in Adam and Eve)
So how Religions have nothing to do with Science

2. Epic Fail, "Plug your ears" First I didn't say so Second If you read the quran (Probably you didn't) and you don't find a mircale in it you are blind
-Don't do this again, you just look like a total ... (Give Respect Get Respected)
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age + MIracles in the Quran that are still been Discovered by current Scientists



You are considering it Special Pleading MeanWhile you can't realize the fact that Creator can't be Created

Determinism is proved to be right only on the scale of the Laws that we know (Like the Orange Example)
Meanwhile you can't predict What you will do next like Standing up staying down etc..


You are an Example for an Arrogant who think that he is right all the way and it can be seen easily in your last sentence
You can't confess that even religions have Grace on Humanity even you don't believe in it
I don't care about you believe in religion or not what makes me laugh that you cut parts of my point and turn it on your side

1. Your reason for religion being in science is "adam and eve"? Cmon man. Just because you believe the origin of man was that does not mean religion plays any role in science. That's not even an argument. That's equating a cause(which you can't back up with evidence) and stating it's somehow in science. It's a non-sequitor.

2. Ok so you automatically believe whatever you read? I'm sorry, but what the fuck is up with muslims and thinking that if someone doesn't automatically believe what's in the quran, "they are blind"? It's just so ridiculous that Muslims use this over and over without any explanation.
-Also yes, this is you plugging your ears. If you don't want to have a discussion you can gtfo. We don't need another muslim who thinks the only discussion should be a circle-jerk and every counter to a problem is "just believe".

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"You are considering it Special Pleading MeanWhile you can't realize the fact that Creator can't be Created"

Do you even understand what special pleading is? It's where you say "this rule applies to everything, except this" And your only explanation is "just because."


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Determinism isn't reliant upon humans.
-Please, do the tiniest bit of research before responding. You clearly don't understand determinism as a concept at all.

You are an Example for an Arrogant who think that he is right all the way and it can be seen easily in your last sentence
You can't confess that even religions have Grace on Humanity even you don't believe in it
I don't care about you believe in religion or not what makes me laugh that you cut parts of my point and turn it on your side

Well it's hard not to come off as "arrogant" when I'm explaining the basics to you. I mean at some point I expect you to do your homework and look up what fallacies are, so of course when you come back on an "infinite time" response and show no research, you're going to get burned by me or whoever.

I honestly have no clue what you are saying outside of that.
I don't know what "Grace on Humanity" concept you are talking about, and I don't see how pointing out your lack of a good argument is harmful to mine.

[GTX970]

1. Your reason for religion being in science is "adam and eve"? Cmon man. Just because you believe the origin of man was that does not mean religion plays any role in science. That's not even an argument. That's equating a cause(which you can't back up with evidence) and stating it's somehow in science. It's a non-sequitor.

2. Ok so you automatically believe whatever you read? I'm sorry, but what the fuck is up with muslims and thinking that if someone doesn't automatically believe what's in the quran, "they are blind"? It's just so ridiculous that Muslims use this over and over without any explanation.
-Also yes, this is you plugging your ears. If you don't want to have a discussion you can gtfo. We don't need another muslim who thinks the only discussion should be a circle-jerk and every counter to a problem is "just believe".

1. If you will consider that Adam and Eve were real Then First religion was been given to Adam which ordered him to learn,etc.. which makes Religion is the origin of Science

2. You probably understande my point in a wrong way,To calrify I didn't ask you to believe in it automaticallay
But what i meant to say is that If you read the Quran and Comparision it with the recent discovries of Science
You will find that Quran Mentioned many things that Science Discovered it Couple of years ago

"You are considering it Special Pleading MeanWhile you can't realize the fact that Creator can't be Created"

Do you even understand what special pleading is? It's where you say "this rule applies to everything, except this" And your only explanation is "just because."

Okey if you consider it Special Pleading so be it

Determinism isn't reliant upon humans.
-Please, do the tiniest bit of research before responding. You clearly don't understand determinism as a concept at all.

I did already Determinism as your video says and what i understanded from the researche Applys all the Law of the universe on a Matter with it's current state like the orange Example
But those laws can't be applied on us (This is my part) cause you can't predict what i will do know (As i mentioned in the pervious Post) so god won't punish people for what he made them do (Correct me if i am wrong)

Well it's hard not to come off as "arrogant" when I'm explaining the basics to you. I mean at some point I expect you to do your homework and look up what fallacies are, so of course when you come back on an "infinite time" response and show no research, you're going to get burned by me or whoever.

I honestly have no clue what you are saying outside of that.
I don't know what "Grace on Humanity" concept you are talking about, and I don't see how pointing out your lack of a good argument is harmful to mine.

For your notice it Doesn't mean with me to get out of this discussion a Loser or a winer
What really matters to me to understand your view of point and to give you my view of point

[Empire]

1. If you will consider that Adam and Eve were real Then First religion was been given to Adam which ordered him to learn,etc.. which makes Religion is the origin of Science

2. You probably understande my point in a wrong way,To calrify I didn't ask you to believe in it automaticallay
But what i meant to say is that If you read the Quran and Comparision it with the recent discovries of Science
You will find that Quran Mentioned many things that Science Discovered it Couple of years ago


Okey if you consider it Special Pleading so be it

I did already Determinism as your video says and what i understanded from the researche Applys all the Law of the universe on a Matter with it's current state like the orange Example
But those laws can't be applied on us (This is my part) cause you can't predict what i will do know (As i mentioned in the pervious Post) so god won't punish people for what he made them do (Correct me if i am wrong)


For your notice it Doesn't mean with me to get out of this discussion a Loser or a winer
What really matters to me to understand your view of point and to give you my view of point

1. It's a non sequitor. It doesn't follow. You could also say "the big bang was the origin of science" or w/e. It's just not related to science in any way.
-Science is secular and that's the only way it has gotten anything done.

2. Retroactive claims. It's claiming that somehow Islam had a part in a discovery that had nothing to do with Islam.
-Anyway, I've already been over this a billion times. This doesn't prove the quran true, all it proves is that you are interpreting the quran's vague "prophecy" to be in accordance with what you now know. I can also take that prophecy and apply it to a bunch of different things and be just as valid. Because prophecy that is vague is useless.
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It's not what I consider special pleading, it's what is special pleading. Clearly you are in this case, as you listed no other reason than "just because".
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Exactly. Your god's laws are pointless given determinism. God already determined what you are going to do, he caused that person to be evil or good, and believe or not.

Essentially because you believe a god exist, you admit by default that the god is evil.
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I don't need to "win".

Listen, my view point is very, very simple: Nobody has ever provided me with a sufficient argument for god. Ever. You do so and I can't find fault with it, then I will believe.



Your viewpoint I've got so far:
-Blindly believes quran for reasons not stated
-Assumes god exist without being able to provide why.
-for some reason also will argue on subjects he hasn't researched at all.(determinism, fallacies).




Trust me, if I wanted a formal debate with you I wouldn't bother with a discussion.

[GTX970]

1. It's a non sequitor. It doesn't follow. You could also say "the big bang was the origin of science" or w/e. It's just not related to science in any way.
-Science is secular and that's the only way it has gotten anything done.

Big bang has nothing to do with science,But Religion does Simply because it started Science By ordering people to learn and make it a duty
And then it is missunderstanded along the history.

2. Retroactive claims. It's claiming that somehow Islam had a part in a discovery that had nothing to do with Islam.
-Anyway, I've already been over this a billion times. This doesn't prove the quran true, all it proves is that you are interpreting the quran's vague "prophecy" to be in accordance with what you now know. I can also take that prophecy and apply it to a bunch of different things and be just as valid. Because prophecy that is vague is useless.

You can't do,Simply Because Before this things were discovered Quran's Scientists Apply it to their current understanding of Science
More we discover More Quran Proves that it applys on Human's Life and it is the perfect Source for Human life not to be in accordance with what we now know But to prove that it really have miracles

Exactly. Your god's laws are pointless given determinism. God already determined what you are going to do, he caused that person to be evil or good, and believe or not.

Essentially because you believe a god exist, you admit by default that the god is evil.

Doesn't mean That god knows what you will do that he is evil,He did know what you will choose but that doesn't take from you your own freewill to choose what you want.

I don't need to "win".

Listen, my view point is very, very simple: Nobody has ever provided me with a sufficient argument for god. Ever. You do so and I can't find fault with it, then I will believe.



Your viewpoint I've got so far:
-Blindly believes quran for reasons not stated
-Assumes god exist without being able to provide why.
-for some reason also will argue on subjects he hasn't researched at all.(determinism, fallacies).

I understand you view of point it clearly that you went through many debats But here is my advice to you
Nobody in this Site (Including Me) will convince you with his own view of point with Writing
IF you want to really want to have an answers for your questions,Go to a Quran Scientists (Who doesn't belong to ISIS or any Terroist group)
And he will give you better answers than me

-Blindly??I Mentioned that topic Early.
-Then scientists assumes that black matter exist and can't say Why?
Because of the Observations that they have done and they can see that the space between Galaxys increase
Apply this method on God You can't see god Yet their is Observations that Proves that he is their
-I mentioned the Concept of Determinism and you approved it So.. ?