A Disproof of Your God.

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This thread is strictly for the discussion of the below logical arguments.

Disproof of God #1

Premise 1: God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent

Inference: God has the power to convince me of his existence, knows how best to convince me of his existence, and desires to convince me of his existence

Premise 2: I'm not convinced of God's existence

Conclusion: God does not possess the attributes in Premise 1. Ergo, God does not exist.

Disproof of God #2
(In depth)

Premise 1: God is conscious

• Quite simply, God is capable of thought and reason.

Premise 2: God is timeless

• God is not within space nor time, he is therefore timeless.
• It is also claimed that god is eternal (without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing). Eternity is not a property of time, therefore God is timeless (He cannot be a property of or within our universe, since it is finite).

Premise 3: Consciousness is a process that is sequential in nature, and sequentiality is contingent upon time.

• What is time? Time is basically a measurement of sequential relations. If we are to think of time as a movie, then the sequential relations are the relations that each frame of the movie has with each other. If there was no time, the whole movie would be one single frame, with no change whatsoever (immutable).
• What is consciousness? It's a state that requires one to be able to mentally adapt, to change and interact: All of these require time, as something completely immutable cannot change, adapt nor interact.

Conclusion: God is not conscious / God does not exist

The implications of either conclusion is stark.
The latter conclusion is obvious, but let us imagine that god is not conscious:

• Imagine that you are looking at timelessness, what is "outside" our universe - God's territory.
• God cannot be seen because he is not physical (he is a nonphysical being, spirit or consciousness) and he can't be heard, touched, felt etc because of that reason.
• The only thing that makes God what he is, is his consciousness. Now imagine that his consciousness is completely immutable. If we are to use the analogy of the movie again, his consciousness would be a still frame picture, except that you can't see the photo because he isn't physical.
• Notice how God is synonymous with nothing?

Disproof of God #3

1.) God is, at the least, omnipotent and omniscient - by the conventional assumptions of divine qualities made by Abrahamic religions. To deny this is to contradict your own belief in god.(*A)

2.) If god is all powerful, he can limit his omniscience.

3.) If god is able to limit his omniscience, then he is not actually omniscient - and, therefore, not a god. If he cannot limit his omniscience, then he is not omnipotent - and therefore not a god. Either way your god's existance is an impossibility.

(*A) Should you argue that human logic does not apply to god - by the argument's reflexive properties - you argue you cannot trust your OWN concepts of god - and thus, you have no reason to believe in a god; because, if human logic cannot be trusted, neither can yours. In addition, if you believe your logic of god is trustworthy, but not another human's, you idolize yourself equivilent of a demigod - a feat which is condemned by Judeo-Christian religions and is thus impossible.