Noah's Ark

[[MPGH]Ethereal]

His questions are rhetorical are they not? To me, its just like every other debate starting like:

God exist, or else who could have made this earth?
^like that. He really doesn't give a shit about a debate, he's just posting his findings and asking himself a question.
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The thing is, that christianity really doesn't depend on the old testament in truth. They pretty much disregard all laws regarding the old testament, all thats left is stories to show morals and where christianity, ergo christ, originated from.

They are SUPPOSED to follow the old testament as well as the new, but there really is no point because its like "the rules have changed" in the new testament. To be honest, its better they don't, the vibe the old testament has is sooo much worse than the new testament.
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Anyway, the main point is that religion shouldn't be about factual evidence and literal translations. It should be what you take away from the story.

I mean in another 2-4k years, i bet people will question the realism of the holocaust. We might not have the proof then to back it up. Its pointless to speculate and squint so hard at something so long gone. Just take from it what you can.

I disagree with you.
First off Christ himself said he wasn't here to abolish the commandments and Sabbaths his father established.
Secondly I find it utterly ridiculous that someone that would consider himself a Christian wouldn't believe the words in the Bible as factual,
That means any uneducated person can read the Bible and draw their own conclusions from certain events,
which may be completely wrong. This is why Pastors have jobs. I've studied under extremely well educated people that dedicated their lives to understanding the Bible. That means reading the old texts in their original languages so that there is little room for translational error. Does the Bible have an abundance of great moral parables? Yes! absolutely..and you really would need someone to help you out in understanding their true meanings. I'm a bit surprised that you're attempting to argue simple logic here..because this subject matter isn't really to hard to grasp. The Bible is the most historically signifigant piece of literature ever written, If Christans or Jews didn't take the words within literally, then what exactly would they have to base their faith off of?

He said to him, 'Do you really grasp what you are reading?' 'How can I,' the man replied, 'unless someone explains it to me?' " —Acts 8:30-31

[Empire]

I disagree with you.
First off Christ himself said he wasn't here to abolish the commandments and Sabbaths his father established.
Secondly I find it utterly ridiculous that someone that would consider himself a Christian wouldn't believe the words in the Bible as factual,
That means any uneducated person can read the Bible and draw their own conclusions from certain events,
which may be completely wrong. This is why Pastors have jobs. I've studied under extremely well educated people that dedicated their lives to understanding the Bible. That means reading the old texts in their original languages so that there is little room for translational error. Does the Bible have an abundance of great moral parables? Yes! absolutely..and you really would need someone to help you out in understanding their true meanings. I'm a bit surprised that you're attempting to argue simple logic here..because this subject matter isn't really to hard to grasp. The Bible is the most historically signifigant piece of literature ever written, If Christans or Jews didn't take the words within literally, then what exactly would they have to base their faith off of?

He said to him, 'Do you really grasp what you are reading?' 'How can I,' the man replied, 'unless someone explains it to me?' " —Acts 8:30-31

Christ said that, but do you really think anyone cares? No more sacrifices, almost all the law were abandoned.

Look, i don't give a fuck what you "studied" i'm sure you think your all that because you took a class in college. Good for you, for those of us who actually go to college, we don't give a fuck.
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That being said, faith is key. Factual proof is nil on religion anyway. People who devote their lives into proving facts for religion, have wasted it.

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[[MPGH]Ethereal]

Christ said that, but do you really think anyone cares? No more sacrifices, almost all the law were abandoned.

Look, i don't give a fuck what you "studied" i'm sure you think your all that because you took a class in college. Good for you, for those of us who actually go to college, we don't give a fuck.
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That being said, faith is key. Factual proof is nil on religion anyway. People who devote their lives into proving facts for religion, have wasted it.

:/

That's why having a debate with you about religion is a joke,
because you really don't know anything about it..
I can tell you just skim a few articles here and there and form an uneducated thesis.
DERP.. thanks for stating an obvious point I've been trying to make for three fucking pages.
Yes faith is the key. Now where exactly do you think people base their faith from?
ANCIENT LITERATURE. That's true to basically every one of the major religions known to man..
The only things in holy books that can be speculative to an individual reader would be metaphorical parables.
THAT IS IT. Not chronological events. Noah's Ark is the perfect example...
If the book was written and it's chronicling the events that took place before and after the flood,
what exactly is there to speculate here? If you believe in the words in the Bible, and you call yourself a Jew or a Christian,
and you have FAITH in God, then you accept that the events that took place WERE TRUE. Period. Not even an argument.If you go ahead and deny one crazy event in the Bible, you might as well deny every other of the numerous supernatural events that defied human logic. The same faith Christians put into Christ and believing him to be the Son of God,would be the same faith placed in believing in Moses parting the Red Sea, the story of Samson, the resurrection, and yes Noah's Ark.