[MPGH]Doc (04-28-2014)
well its kinda just gods choice he did create the universe did he, im not arguing btw just saying
wtf did u just say to me you moot cunt say 2 me face you piece of shit and not over the internet ok
Misunderstanding, we can create as humans. We do not have the explicit right to destroy because of creation.
We cannot kill children because we are parents, we cannot destroy a car at any time just because we manufactured it.
It's implying that creation gives the right to destruction.
Unless you absolutely don't believe in free will, the belief that god has the right to end a life without justification is null.
Last edited by robinvanpersie; 06-02-2014 at 12:47 PM.
Science is learning about the creation, Islam is learning about the creator.
Alif, Lam, Meem. - 2:1 Quran
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah(God) - 2:2 Quran
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them, - 2:3 Quran
And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith]. - 2:4 Quran
Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. - 2:5 Quran
Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. - 2:6 Quran
Science is learning about the creation, Islam is learning about the creator.
Alif, Lam, Meem. - 2:1 Quran
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah(God) - 2:2 Quran
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them, - 2:3 Quran
And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith]. - 2:4 Quran
Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. - 2:5 Quran
Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. - 2:6 Quran
So you believe innocent people, children, infants, fetuses, etc. Are all ok for destruction? Does that not make god immoral?
God gives us free will, proceeds to say "if you don't obey me you will be tortured forever", takes away free will.
Sorry, the logic doesn't add up.
Belief =/= proof.
I said people who rape, kill etc. Not sure where you got that idea from? God in the Quran does not say the innocent will be destroyed in hell.
Not really because you can still choose to believe in whatever God says, just like you and I are doing.
Belief is not backed up by scientific proof but a different kind of proof. Do you believe you had a great great great great great great great great great great grandad? You cannot observe him or do any experiments to prove his existence but you believe he existed because it is logical. This is the kind of proof for belief, which is something many atheists don't understand because of atheist propaganda mixing science with belief by the likes of Dawkins. Also it is up to each person to find their own proof, not to rely on others as Dawkins makes it out to be.
Science is learning about the creation, Islam is learning about the creator.
Alif, Lam, Meem. - 2:1 Quran
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah(God) - 2:2 Quran
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them, - 2:3 Quran
And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith]. - 2:4 Quran
Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. - 2:5 Quran
Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. - 2:6 Quran
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." Don't believe in Allah? You're fucked regardless of your circumstances.
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" If we don't believe in Allah you should kill us and he'll send us to eternal damnation... not really getting a choice here.
Please just re-read that last paragraph and if you don't feel sudden shame then killing yourself would probably make the world a better place.
It is those who fully know and have the knowledge but continue to disbelieve and cause others to disbelieve and lead them astray. For example those who use money to make desperate people do anything for help. etc. It doesn't mean all disbelievers, those who have no real knowledge of Islam and are ignorant of it.
A couple of verses later: If you [disbelievers] seek the victory - the defeat has come to you. And if you desist [from hostilities], it is best for you; but if you return [to war], We will return, and never will you be availed by your [large] company at all, even if it should increase; and [that is] because Allah is with the believers. -8:19
It was the disbelievers during the time the verse was revealed that were killing, oppressing, and persecuting Muslims. The Muslims were an overwhelming minority. Again it allows only fighting when someone else wages war on you.
I am proud to be a Muslim. All you are literally doing by posting these verses out of context is saying, hey look at me I haven't read the Quran and I know nothing about Islam. These "arguments" are old news and there are hundreds of books and exegesis's explaining all of the verses of the Quran. The only people who these verses come a shock to are the ones who have never read the Quran and read these verses out of context.
Last edited by robinvanpersie; 06-07-2014 at 03:06 PM.
Science is learning about the creation, Islam is learning about the creator.
Alif, Lam, Meem. - 2:1 Quran
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah(God) - 2:2 Quran
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them, - 2:3 Quran
And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith]. - 2:4 Quran
Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. - 2:5 Quran
Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. - 2:6 Quran
Except you can't. Information about your religion is not and has not been available to all of mankind. Therefore God sends people to hell for a situation outside of their control.
Belief is not backed up by any proof, belief is: "an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists". It is the acceptance by a person that something is true, it does not prove anything. The logic of the Quran and of Islam is just as faulty as Christianity's, so in a sense your belief of said events or in the Quran being "true" is really just your opinion, not a fact.
There is nothing scientific or logical that proves the religion of Islam to be true.
You don't know it yourself as apparent from what you posted. The Mecca were defending themselves and that verse was used to encourage them to fight them with the odds stacked against them. https://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religiou...hp#005.059.314