Patterns from the past

[Ferris Bueller]

The conditions have been probably the same

They have not I made a thread about it a while ago. The camps were built under the cunt Obama but under Trump the conditions have deteriorated ten-fold because the population of the camps has also increased exponentially and people are kept their long-term. There have been many documented deaths already.

Why do you always take a defensive stance on every issue pertaining to Trump , white supremacy, etc...?

[Gaydow]

They have not I made a thread about it a while ago. The camps were built under the cunt Obama but under Trump the conditions have deteriorated ten-fold because the population of the camps has also increased exponentially and people are kept their long-term. There have been many documented deaths already.

Why do you always take a defensive stance on every issue pertaining to Trump , white supremacy, etc...?

They have not

They've always been bad, I won't argue that it's gotten worse.

There have been many documented deaths already.

An increase*.

Why do you always take a defensive stance on every issue pertaining to Trump , white supremacy, etc...?

Because not every bad thing happening in the world is a cause of Trump's presidency. I prefer facts/logic over emotional/political bias, when I see someone post stupid shit, I call it out. If that means I play the devil's advocate, then I play the devil's advocate.

white supremacy

[[MPGH]Dave84311]

[4:43:57 PM] [MPGH]Hugh Janus: he's retarded
[4:44:19 PM] [MPGH]Hugh Janus: can we get a perm ban on dab from not speaking about politics
[4:44:20 PM] [MPGH]Hugh Janus: dab is literally hitler
[4:44:37 PM] [MPGH]Hugh Janus: he burned my copy of mein campf
[4:44:40 PM] [MPGH]Hugh Janus: /sad
@Hugh Jangus @Dab

DEBATE THIS

[Dagger]

Everyone looking at this from negative points of views.

We should look at what this has brought us. Be it Trump's presidency, which as an outsider, not everything he's doing is bad and has actual backing and logic, even tho as a person he's completly fucking mentall left behind but that's not a factor now. aka hugh janus has solid argument points. so does dab but he's politically butthurt 24/7 + literally only talks about it so idk.

ice /=/ nazis.

Empowering them to an extent is abusive yet does not mean that what they were doing before, wasn't bad enough. Be it Trump or Obama. Cages, hurting other's human rights and talking/mentioning about rights that were written more then five decades ago that conflict with modern laws.

if u break da law u gonna get punished end

politics is a shit show especially with bias and corporate media. the "truth" is merely a hoax/fairytale at this point. it's hard to distinguish it these days.

[Ferris Bueller]

I prefer facts/logic over emotional/political bias, when I see someone post stupid shit, I call it out.

Then why would you say something demonstrably false like "conditions in the detention facilities have not gotten worse"?

[Gaydow]

Then why would you say something demonstrably false like "conditions in the detention facilities have not gotten worse"?

In your eyes, you can tell me how they've gotten worse. As far as I'm seeing, at least the Trump administration isn't handing off kids to human traffickers. <-- Doesn't get any worse or incompetent than that.

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[4:43:57 PM] [MPGH]Hugh Janus: he's retarded
[4:44:19 PM] [MPGH]Hugh Janus: can we get a perm ban on dab from not speaking about politics
[4:44:20 PM] [MPGH]Hugh Janus: dab is literally hitler
[4:44:37 PM] [MPGH]Hugh Janus: he burned my copy of mein campf
[4:44:40 PM] [MPGH]Hugh Janus: /sad
@Hugh Jangus @Dab

DEBATE THIS

Nothing to debate, he burned my copy of mein campf. That is literally hitler.

[Dab]

but you know what you're getting yourself into when you do illegal shit

Article 14 under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 31 of the 1951 convention on refugees.

Article 6 of the US Constitution

To clarify what this means, the 1945 Declaration of Human Rights states in Article 14 that people have the right to seek asylum. The 1967 protocol on the 1951 convention on refugees reasserts asylum seekers cannot be punished for actively seeking asylum. Article 6 of the US Constitution makes this US law and only superseded by the constitution it's self, which in fact makes the issue of deporting/punishing undocumented immigrants a state's right issue as evident of the 1798 Kentucky resolutions drafted by Thomas Jefferson which cited the 10th amendment for what we'd now call sanctuary cities.

So what does this mean? By crossing the border if you are seeking asylum you cannot be punished under the 1967 protocols, and under Article 14 you have the right to seek asylum. Asylum seekers who enter here have up to 1 year to claim asylum in the United States. Also the misconception about "third safe countries" only applies to countries with these kind of treaties. The EU has one, and America/Canada has a third safe country treaty, which means if you enter the US you must claim asylum here u cant go through the US to canada to claim asylum. This only applies to US/Canada, and recently gautamala which trump had join the treaty. Traveling through mexico to get to the US to claim asylum is legal by our laws and theirs.

What they're doing is legal. What we're doing isn't. Throwing asylum seekers in cages is a form of punishment, and going after those who had been recorded entering the US as justification is illegal and violation of those 1967 protocols. This is why the UN and human right activists have been condemning the US.

[Gaydow]

Article 14 under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 31 of the 1951 convention on refugees.

Article 6 of the US Constitution

To clarify what this means, the 1945 Declaration of Human Rights states in Article 14 that people have the right to seek asylum. The 1967 protocol on the 1951 convention on refugees reasserts asylum seekers cannot be punished for actively seeking asylum. Article 6 of the US Constitution makes this US law and only superseded by the constitution it's self, which in fact makes the issue of deporting/punishing undocumented immigrants a state's right issue as evident of the 1798 Kentucky resolutions drafted by Thomas Jefferson which cited the 10th amendment for what we'd now call sanctuary cities.

So what does this mean? By crossing the border if you are seeking asylum you cannot be punished under the 1967 protocols, and under Article 14 you have the right to seek asylum. Asylum seekers who enter here have up to 1 year to claim asylum in the United States. Also the misconception about "third safe countries" only applies to countries with these kind of treaties. The EU has one, and America/Canada has a third safe country treaty, which means if you enter the US you must claim asylum here u cant go through the US to canada to claim asylum. This only applies to US/Canada, and recently gautamala which trump had join the treaty. Traveling through mexico to get to the US to claim asylum is legal by our laws and theirs.

What they're doing is legal. What we're doing isn't. Throwing asylum seekers in cages is a form of punishment, and going after those who had been recorded entering the US as justification is illegal and violation of those 1967 protocols. This is why the UN and human right activists have been condemning the US.

haha me dab, me ignore everything and redirecting conversation to something irrelevant. You are literally Hitler.

[Dab]

haha me dab, me ignore everything and redirecting conversation to something irrelevant. You are literally Hitler.

I see you're not willing to have a good faith argument.

Originally your non-sense stemmed from you not paying attention to what you're reading and thinking I was comparing the severity of action taken by nazis/ICE, when I even clarified I mentioned the sanford prison experiment, and how the nazis were a result of the behavior that psychological experiment showed, just as ICE agents have been and are becoming as we see with reports of their wrong doing.

Now you've exposed your ignorance and I've educated you. As a result you fall back onto more non-sense and choose to derail any potential of a productive conversation. Go argue with some 9 year olds about why the color green is better than purple.

[Gaydow]

I see you're not willing to have a good faith argument.

Originally your non-sense stemmed from you not paying attention to what you're reading and thinking I was comparing the severity of action taken by nazis/ICE, when I even clarified I mentioned the sanford prison experiment, and how the nazis were a result of the behavior that psychological experiment showed, just as ICE agents have been and are becoming as we see with reports of their wrong doing.

Now you've exposed your ignorance and I've educated you. As a result you fall back onto more non-sense and choose to derail any potential of a productive conversation. Go argue with some 9 year olds about why the color green is better than purple.

Hahahahahah, classic Dab.

There's having no argument with you. You disregarded everything I said and went into talking about illegally crossing the border not being illegal, but okay. Also, you got extremely butthurt, also shows how much "you've educated" me.

Dab is literally hitler.

[Dab]

Hahahahahah, classic Dab.

There's having no argument with you. You disregarded everything I said and went into talking about illegally crossing the border not being illegal, but okay. Also, you got extremely butthurt, also shows how much "you've educated" me.

Dab is literally hitler.

The Obama administration was placing kids with human traffickers from the detention centers. How does it get any worse than that lol..?

Letting children die in concentration camps after separating them from their family without any system to get unite them, forcing hundreds of people to sleep together in cramped cages. Illegally punishing asylum seekers for seeking asylum. Deporting people who've lived in America their whole lives and in many cases served in the Military to countries they've never been to speak the language or have a history of.

The reason I ignored this is because you're just making a whataboutism, an appeal to hypocrisy. As I said countless times and as actual leftists said when it was happening, obama immigration policy was horrible, and thats why the courts ruled against him and made him catch and release. But I can keep going if you want...

I see the out-rage of the conditions, but being released into the care of human traffickers is fucking monstrous

Oh you mean like the ICE agents who sexually assaulted people in their custody?

https://theintercep*****m/2018/04/11/...abuse-ice-dhs/
https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants...ot-responsible
https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...al-assault-and

What's also is retarded is that these kids are dragged through the desert by their retarded parents, and some even die along the way.

Which says what? Their parents are just pieces of shit thats what you think? Or maybe it says more about the places theyre leaving and the merit of the dangers they're fleeing from. What's retarded is people who think someone brave enough to pack up and travel to America for their families safety are somehow bad people.

Conditions at these camps could be better, but you know what you're getting yourself into when you do illegal shit.

As I pointed out, it's not illegal to seek asylum. You must be physically within the US or at a port of entry, and the reason why people don't line up at ports of entry is because of exactly what Trump did. They have ques and continue to reduce them, people end up stranded without protection or resettlement by the OOR. In fact Trump told a bunch of asylum seekers to do this 6 months ago, they're still waiting. So instead people cross the border get physically inside the US so they can file their claim for asylum and be protected. Also the reason why they come here in the first place is because of what we did during the cold war up till today propping up dictators, overthrowing regimes, and starting conflicts in virtually every country south of the border.

I feel bad for the kids because they aren't responsible for this, and that falls on their retarded parents.

Again, if they're willing to make the journey to America and potentially deal with the human rights violations we're committing, that says more about the place they're coming from than it does them

You can feed me some moralistic crap about the parents trying to find a better lifestyle crossing the border,

Let me get a couple dozen guys to point guns at you, your wife, and children and then tell you I'm taking your wife and daughter, and we're going to make your son join our cartel. You know what people do in this situation? They run away and flee for safety. The US tends to be safer from cartels than other countries south of the border. Asylum seekers specifically are seeking asylum, not just to taste American food and wear American clothes.

Not to mention kids being kidnapped, molested and raped along the way to the border. Everything you're advocating for, or you're pissed off about, is political.

So because people take advantage of asylum seekers we should reject them and just let them die, be raped, and kidnapped? What exactly are you trying to say when you mention children being harmed when their families try bringing them to america? Are you saying we should do a better job at protecting asylum seekers and trying to get them here more safely?

Bro, I go out of my way to avoid corporate media and all I can hear about is Trump's detention centers. When I was actually watching corporate media, I heard nothing of Obama's detention centers. I don't see your point lol. I'm talking about Bias, and the bias is definitely due to politics. Let us be real, most of the people who talk about this issue, don't really give a shit about those people in the detention center.. It's all about politics, it's why I stay away from politics. People will find ways to rationalize shit just so it supports their political view-point (I see you doing the same). You don't really care about facts, tbh I don't blame you because most people involved in politics don't. I believe it's virtually impossible to change someone's political viewpoint. I could give you solid-truths and you'd rationalize it, just like you did with

Obamas immigration policy was on the news, not as much as it was on independent media sites and actual leftist news typically on radio or internet.

It's clear to me, you're just a child, and have very little understanding or knowledge about the topic you're speaking out your ass on. I'm done here.

[Gaydow]

Letting children die in concentration camps after separating them from their family without any system to get unite them, forcing hundreds of people to sleep together in cramped cages. Illegally punishing asylum seekers for seeking asylum. Deporting people who've lived in America their whole lives and in many cases served in the Military to countries they've never been to speak the language or have a history of.

The reason I ignored this is because you're just making a whataboutism, an appeal to hypocrisy. As I said countless times and as actual leftists said when it was happening, obama immigration policy was horrible, and thats why the courts ruled against him and made him catch and release. But I can keep going if you want...




Oh you mean like the ICE agents who sexually assaulted people in their custody?

https://theintercep*****m/2018/04/11/...abuse-ice-dhs/
https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants...ot-responsible
https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...al-assault-and




Which says what? Their parents are just pieces of shit thats what you think? Or maybe it says more about the places theyre leaving and the merit of the dangers they're fleeing from. What's retarded is people who think someone brave enough to pack up and travel to America for their families safety are somehow bad people.




As I pointed out, it's not illegal to seek asylum. You must be physically within the US or at a port of entry, and the reason why people don't line up at ports of entry is because of exactly what Trump did. They have ques and continue to reduce them, people end up stranded without protection or resettlement by the OOR. In fact Trump told a bunch of asylum seekers to do this 6 months ago, they're still waiting. So instead people cross the border get physically inside the US so they can file their claim for asylum and be protected. Also the reason why they come here in the first place is because of what we did during the cold war up till today propping up dictators, overthrowing regimes, and starting conflicts in virtually every country south of the border.




Again, if they're willing to make the journey to America and potentially deal with the human rights violations we're committing, that says more about the place they're coming from than it does them




Let me get a couple dozen guys to point guns at you, your wife, and children and then tell you I'm taking your wife and daughter, and we're going to make your son join our cartel. You know what people do in this situation? They run away and flee for safety. The US tends to be safer from cartels than other countries south of the border. Asylum seekers specifically are seeking asylum, not just to taste American food and wear American clothes.




So because people take advantage of asylum seekers we should reject them and just let them die, be raped, and kidnapped? What exactly are you trying to say when you mention children being harmed when their families try bringing them to america? Are you saying we should do a better job at protecting asylum seekers and trying to get them here more safely?





Obamas immigration policy was on the news, not as much as it was on independent media sites and actual leftist news typically on radio or internet.

It's clear to me, you're just a child, and have very little understanding or knowledge about the topic you're speaking out your ass on. I'm done here.

You're just repeating your points lol, rationalizing them even though we've been through it. Sleeping in cramped cages != being handed off to human traffickers. I suggest you do some research on what happens when human traffickers take kids down south. You won't sleep for days.

It's clear to me, you're just a child

I'm smiling. I must've really hit some nerves in the past 24 hours.

[Dab]

Sleeping in cramped cages != being handed off to human traffickers.

Does this somehow make everything this administration has done justified or acceptable because Obama did terrible things as well? Are you trying to boil this down to an argument of who was/is worse on immigration? Are you trying to debate whether being handcuffed to a trafficker, or being raped/rejected medical help are at all equivalent?

[Gaydow]

Does this somehow make everything this administration has done justified or acceptable because Obama did terrible things as well? Are you trying to boil this down to an argument of who was/is worse on immigration? Are you trying to debate whether being handcuffed to a trafficker, or being raped/rejected medical help are at all equivalent?

Lol, earlier you were doing the same "It's gotten much worse under Trump". All I'm telling you to do is research what happens to kids who're trafficked in S. America, compared that to the current conditions and tell me it's worse. You're the one here trying to prove that it's worse under Trump, compare it.

[Dab]

Lol, earlier you were doing the same "It's gotten much worse under Trump". All I'm telling you to do is research what happens to kids who're trafficked in S. America, compared that to the current conditions and tell me it's worse. You're the one here trying to prove that it's worse under Trump, compare it.

Okay cool, you're bringing up information that I've already known and years ago bitched about.

Stop making baseless assumptions, you only make you're self look stupid like you did now.