I know for a fact that it's at least 17 by looking at semi-recent logs. Not really my problem that your data is incorrect.
But when did you start taking part in this? I asked you if you knew more, you checked for it. Now you have no part in this anymore? I was talking to Dave, not you. I would never talk to you recreatively, because I do NOT like you. Nor will I ever like you, because I find you a stubborn power abuser.