Avoiding the HELL of the Radical Left & Radical Right - Jordan Peterson

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So the government she's talking about are white people that are normal human beings who happen to be white..? I honestly don't have any hope for this planet. People will always want what others have. The rich are the ones who provide jobs. If you tax them even more what do you think is going to happen? The problem isn't how much tax money we're getting. The problem is where the tax money is being used. The government should be spending less on the Military and more on social programs to help provide better a better education system. As of right now the democratic party and the poor seem not to be minding each other. The democratic party has the poor inside of invisible cells which the poor don't seem to mind either. Welfare.. They're getting free cheques for essentially keeping their income below a certain amount. Hell imagine if there wasn't any welfare. The circumstances of the "poor" like that fat bitch up there doesn't excuse her ideology, she's a Nazi who'd most likely kill a white person if she could have what they have.



That shouldn't mean it should take money from hard-working people to give it to people who could get out of their situations if you want. Call me heartless or whatever you want. You can dig yourself out of anything if you have the ability to do so. As a first-generational Canadian my family had fuck all when they first immigrated here in the 80s. People who (usually) rely on/blame others for their downfall are usually in the position they are because of their own subjugation.

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When people from Black Lives Matter say "kill all white people" "white people are to blame" and calling white lives "insignificant" it portrays Nazi ideologies. You want to fight hate with hate go for it. I'm not even American so for now this shit doesn't even affect me at the moment. But I find it hypocritical as fuck when Alt-Leftists blame white people. What you're doing is creating a rift between people. Undoing any fucking race relation progress we've ever made.

We're such a retarded species. There's larger issues that this world has but we decide to focus on how minority downfalls are the result a certain race. You speak of just saying BLM but it means much more than that. When BLM supporters spew anti-white shit it should show you how they're no different than the Nazis they supposedly oppose. We've all got our biases and consciousnesses, but it should be logic you rely on to understand that type of stuff.

Look back 6-7 years and compare race relations from then and now. Nobody ever even brought up race. When BLM started this unnecessary fiasco of "unarmed black men being shot" it catalyzed this whole thing. The Nazis came out of their holes and the Alt-Left grew into the monster it is today alongside the Alt-Right. You may not see it today but you will in the future. Decades down the line when people can view this whole situation they'll know both sides were wrong. The US wasn't ready for multiculturalism. It'll be a couple hundred years till the retards are weeded out. America is self-destructing. Everyday that this charade continues the deeper the hole that America digs for herself.

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If you don't pay taxes who's going to fund the nation? I guess highways and structures will build themselves while the military will also supply itself.

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They got the most labor intensive and lowest paying jobs because they haven't been in the said country for that long. My mom had a degree obtained in another country but wasn't able to use it in Canada to practise as it wasn't valid. They understood and did jobs accordingly. It's the sad truth. If you want to move to a land of opportunity you have to sacrifice stuff. You plant a seed and you work hard to nurture and grow it so one day you can reap what you have sown. Thanks to my parents i'll be going to University for Computer Engineering because they struggled for me and for them to survive. I don't get why it's so hard to understand. If you're willing to move from one country to another to have something better but don't want to work for it why even move? The world is tough place. You've got to work hard and find your place or it'll kick you to your knees and push you back down every time you try to get up. I guess some people don't mind that as long they've got someone else to blame.

We're talking about the top 15-5% of the population that sits on more wealth than majority of the population. These guys are the ones you don't just want to tax, you want to enforce taxing. Income taxes are useless if you're trying to "tax the rich", the rich make most of their money through capital gains. A friend of mine instead of giving himself income, he reinvests his money through the business. This literally saves millions of dollars.


The problem is how much money we're getting and where it's going. You see all these news articles of different people in Gov using Gov money for their own expenses. Such as Mark Sandford rep 1st district of SC. He used tax payer money to go visit his mistress in 2011.

You think spending less money on our military and more on social programs like education will magically solve all the problems? Do you realize that we cut our navy by 1/3rd in the past decade, and the reason for all those ships crashing was due to incompetent over worked sailors? They aren't even given a teacher anymore they're given a book then sent out to sea with a 200mil dollar boat that has blastic missile defenses. We can maintain our military budget (defense and intelligence budgets to be specific) while increasing social program funding.


They're not intentionally keeping their income below a certain amount. In most cases they literally can't earn more income due to the fact employeers try to circumvent paying employees. Walmart does not allow you to work more than 20 hours so they don't have to pay for your insurance. Also most people who work at walmart are on welfare, and guess what they do with their welfare money? Spend it at walmart. Do you see what the problem is?








This is a terrible argument. "People should just be better" that's not how the world works, people don't just be better because you want them to, and if they all did then everyone would be poor because everyone would be investing in the bread not the baker.
Majority of people working daily most of the day are unable to get out of their situations because their pay and assets leave them with little wiggle room, then considering the poor actually spend their money most of that wiggle room is going towards the same self indulgances every democratic man has.
The "hard-working" people who'll be paying their fair share of taxes are the rich that simply invest their money. They do not work on a daily basis, they are not bakers they are bread investors. Also a million dollars to a billionaire is minimal, but a 100 dollars to someone who at most ever had a few thousand dollars is a lot of money. Now to add insult to injury even though the poor are more affected by a small % tax of their income, they are the ones who are affected by the income taxes more. A man who literally earns 250k a year is hurt more by a 35% tax than someone who earns the same about in income but another quarter mil in capital gains.
What the proposed progressive taxes are doing is enforcing existing tax laws and closing loopholes, then taxing the people who invest in bread instead of bakers.
The people who would recieve money in redistribution fo wealth are the people who actually spend the money. Whether or not they chose to be poor is 100% irrelevant, what is relevant is there is always more poor people than there are rich people, and they spend their money faster than rich people do. So if you think really hard about it you might figure out that the poor will put the money you distribute to them back into the economy. The reason we want to do this is because there's a such thing as having too much wealth. Right now in america wealth inequality is worse than the gilded age. We're heading towards another great recession pretty soon, and one way to prevent it is to increase the velocity of money. The rate of goods being bought, sold and produced will be increased and the middle class will feel this the most. Instead of waiting on wealth from the very top to trickle down they'll be able to expand and invest because of increased business. Right now everyone agrees it's not balanced, but the rich and powerful will try their best to shove down your throat that things are rigged in favor of the poor or it's the poors fault. In reality the poor generally don't even know how to do their taxes, the rich do. In every which way you look at it the poor are the ones most effected by taxes, especially when they cut taxes on the rich and subsadize it with the poor or middle class.
It's not me "blaming others" for wanting to keep the economy from going into a fucking recession. Just because you were lied to your whole life and led to believe everything you see on TV doesn't mean you're right. Nobody is giving anything to anyone who doesn't deserve it. The poor and middle class have been the backbone of the US economy, the rich in the past 2 decades have taken absolute and utter control over the country. They've rigged the tax system in their favor, and they push for keeping the status quo while feeding the people anti-poor/middle class propaganda. Trying to make you believe that by trying to redistribute wealth back to the consumer is some sort of evil nazi agenda that'll destroy the world. In reality what we're trying to do is take the control back from the rich and powerful, limit the control that they have over things. They will keep their billions of dollars, and keep expanding their businesses and investing. But relying on me and you to pay for their losses isn't going to work anymore. The tax payers are the ones who bail out the rich when they decide to privatize their gains and socialize their losses. We get double fucked, no triple fucked everyway you look at it.

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Also idc about identity politics, they're all plebs unless they're in the courts making real change.

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We're talking about the top 15-5% of the population that sits on more wealth than majority of the population. These guys are the ones you don't just want to tax, you want to enforce taxing. Income taxes are useless if you're trying to "tax the rich", the rich make most of their money through capital gains. A friend of mine instead of giving himself income, he reinvests his money through the business. This literally saves millions of dollars.


The problem is how much money we're getting and where it's going. You see all these news articles of different people in Gov using Gov money for their own expenses. Such as Mark Sandford rep 1st district of SC. He used tax payer money to go visit his mistress in 2011.

You think spending less money on our military and more on social programs like education will magically solve all the problems? Do you realize that we cut our navy by 1/3rd in the past decade, and the reason for all those ships crashing was due to incompetent over worked sailors? They aren't even given a teacher anymore they're given a book then sent out to sea with a 200mil dollar boat that has blastic missile defenses. We can maintain our military budget (defense and intelligence budgets to be specific) while increasing social program funding.


They're not intentionally keeping their income below a certain amount. In most cases they literally can't earn more income due to the fact employeers try to circumvent paying employees. Walmart does not allow you to work more than 20 hours so they don't have to pay for your insurance. Also most people who work at walmart are on welfare, and guess what they do with their welfare money? Spend it at walmart. Do you see what the problem is?








This is a terrible argument. "People should just be better" that's not how the world works, people don't just be better because you want them to, and if they all did then everyone would be poor because everyone would be investing in the bread not the baker.
Majority of people working daily most of the day are unable to get out of their situations because their pay and assets leave them with little wiggle room, then considering the poor actually spend their money most of that wiggle room is going towards the same self indulgances every democratic man has.
The "hard-working" people who'll be paying their fair share of taxes are the rich that simply invest their money. They do not work on a daily basis, they are not bakers they are bread investors. Also a million dollars to a billionaire is minimal, but a 100 dollars to someone who at most ever had a few thousand dollars is a lot of money. Now to add insult to injury even though the poor are more affected by a small % tax of their income, they are the ones who are affected by the income taxes more. A man who literally earns 250k a year is hurt more by a 35% tax than someone who earns the same about in income but another quarter mil in capital gains.
What the proposed progressive taxes are doing is enforcing existing tax laws and closing loopholes, then taxing the people who invest in bread instead of bakers.
The people who would recieve money in redistribution fo wealth are the people who actually spend the money. Whether or not they chose to be poor is 100% irrelevant, what is relevant is there is always more poor people than there are rich people, and they spend their money faster than rich people do. So if you think really hard about it you might figure out that the poor will put the money you distribute to them back into the economy. The reason we want to do this is because there's a such thing as having too much wealth. Right now in america wealth inequality is worse than the gilded age. We're heading towards another great recession pretty soon, and one way to prevent it is to increase the velocity of money. The rate of goods being bought, sold and produced will be increased and the middle class will feel this the most. Instead of waiting on wealth from the very top to trickle down they'll be able to expand and invest because of increased business. Right now everyone agrees it's not balanced, but the rich and powerful will try their best to shove down your throat that things are rigged in favor of the poor or it's the poors fault. In reality the poor generally don't even know how to do their taxes, the rich do. In every which way you look at it the poor are the ones most effected by taxes, especially when they cut taxes on the rich and subsadize it with the poor or middle class.
It's not me "blaming others" for wanting to keep the economy from going into a fucking recession. Just because you were lied to your whole life and led to believe everything you see on TV doesn't mean you're right. Nobody is giving anything to anyone who doesn't deserve it. The poor and middle class have been the backbone of the US economy, the rich in the past 2 decades have taken absolute and utter control over the country. They've rigged the tax system in their favor, and they push for keeping the status quo while feeding the people anti-poor/middle class propaganda. Trying to make you believe that by trying to redistribute wealth back to the consumer is some sort of evil nazi agenda that'll destroy the world. In reality what we're trying to do is take the control back from the rich and powerful, limit the control that they have over things. They will keep their billions of dollars, and keep expanding their businesses and investing. But relying on me and you to pay for their losses isn't going to work anymore. The tax payers are the ones who bail out the rich when they decide to privatize their gains and socialize their losses. We get double fucked, no triple fucked everyway you look at it.

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Also idc about identity politics, they're all plebs unless they're in the courts making real change.

Just because you were lied to your whole life and led to believe everything you see on TV doesn't mean you're right.

LOL. Mate where the fuck has your head been. Countries that have socialism tax their citizens a FUCK TON. It's pretty funny that you say i've been lied to because in some way you think socialism would work in the US when it hasn't really ever worked anywhere. Even for then for socialism to work you'd have to have a population that isn't retarded like the US's population.

You think spending less money on our military and more on social programs like education will magically solve all the problems?

Yes? A more educated population benefits a country economically + more. If you somehow need proof of that then I shouldn't even bother replying to anything you say.

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LOL. Mate where the fuck has your head been. Countries that have socialism tax their citizens a FUCK TON. It's pretty funny that you say i've been lied to because in some way you think socialism would work in the US when it hasn't really ever worked anywhere. Even for then for socialism to work you'd have to have a population that isn't retarded like the US's population.


Yes? A more educated population benefits a country economically + more. If you somehow need proof of that then I shouldn't even bother replying to anything you say.

Your post confirms my suspension and proves me correct. I'm willing to bet you didn't know or didn't have a firm grasp on what socialism was before you started hearing about it over the past 2 years. Do you or do you not agree that no form of economics or government is perfect? If you agree then what do you propose doing when capitalism is littered with corruption? Like any economic system or government system if people are corrupt or stupid then it'll fall apart. Right now capitalism has allowed private individuals to take control over more resources and wealth than most small countries. To some extent we socialize these resources but not nearly enough. (Alaska would be an example of this) It's not a matter of whether "socialism works in the US" but a matter of reasoning and logic. To keep our country afloat we must maintain a balance. As the tax system is rigged in favor of the rich, as the politics and legislation is rigged in favor of the rich, the poor will continue to be oppressed and lose their quality of life. The middle class will continue to decrease, and the rich will be above the law.

This is why I say you've bought into the bullshit you were fed. You automatically assume things are black and white, assume that anything that could be defined as socialism is going to outright destroy the economy or government. I literally said this in the post then you go ahead and do exactly what I said. Please try to bare with me and get through all the material I'm laying at your feet. You could learn a lot.


You can throw all the money you want at the current education system but all you're going to do is fund certain schools more than others, and the basics of how we teach students isn't being changed at all. You'd be much better off funding research and developement of better education enviroments and methods.

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Fun fact


The top educated countries in the world have socialist healthcare and income laws.


You want to do exactly what you said you wanted to fix. Where the money goes. You propose cutting the defense budget while throwing money at the educational system, the same system which apparently has been failing to do its job. How about we work on what we know works first, such as giving people a better quality of life, and a better living/work environment.

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What you fail to see, is that your grandparents were paying for a family of 3 with only 1 wage earner.

Now, you'd be sitting in a cardboard box if you tried that without receiving welfare from the government.

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Wealth inequality is real, and redistribution of wealth is real.

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Also if education = wealth then why is America so stupid but so rich?


I know why, capitalism. But why are european countries so rich and educated? I know why, socialism. (This statement can trigger plebs)

[Gaydow]

Your post confirms my suspension and proves me correct. I'm willing to bet you didn't know or didn't have a firm grasp on what socialism was before you started hearing about it over the past 2 years. Do you or do you not agree that no form of economics or government is perfect? If you agree then what do you propose doing when capitalism is littered with corruption? Like any economic system or government system if people are corrupt or stupid then it'll fall apart. Right now capitalism has allowed private individuals to take control over more resources and wealth than most small countries. To some extent we socialize these resources but not nearly enough. (Alaska would be an example of this) It's not a matter of whether "socialism works in the US" but a matter of reasoning and logic. To keep our country afloat we must maintain a balance. As the tax system is rigged in favor of the rich, as the politics and legislation is rigged in favor of the rich, the poor will continue to be oppressed and lose their quality of life. The middle class will continue to decrease, and the rich will be above the law.

This is why I say you've bought into the bullshit you were fed. You automatically assume things are black and white, assume that anything that could be defined as socialism is going to outright destroy the economy or government. I literally said this in the post then you go ahead and do exactly what I said. Please try to bare with me and get through all the material I'm laying at your feet. You could learn a lot.


You can throw all the money you want at the current education system but all you're going to do is fund certain schools more than others, and the basics of how we teach students isn't being changed at all. You'd be much better off funding research and developement of better education enviroments and methods.

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Fun fact


The top educated countries in the world have socialist healthcare and income laws.


You want to do exactly what you said you wanted to fix. Where the money goes. You propose cutting the defense budget while throwing money at the educational system, the same system which apparently has been failing to do its job. How about we work on what we know works first, such as giving people a better quality of life, and a better living/work environment.

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What you fail to see, is that your grandparents were paying for a family of 3 with only 1 wage earner.

Now, you'd be sitting in a cardboard box if you tried that without receiving welfare from the government.

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Wealth inequality is real, and redistribution of wealth is real.

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Also if education = wealth then why is America so stupid but so rich?


I know why, capitalism. But why are european countries so rich and educated? I know why, socialism. (This statement can trigger plebs)

Just because Capitalism is flawed doesn't mean you have to try to introduce Socialism which would most likely fail in the states. Maybe coming up with an economic system that benefits all without the flaws of the system you speak of.

You automatically assume things are black and white

Contradicting yourself here, you automatically think i'm supporting Capitalism just because I don't support socialism?

You can throw all the money you want at the current education system but all you're going to do is fund certain schools more than others, and the basics of how we teach students isn't being changed at all. You'd be much better off funding research and developement of better education enviroments and methods.

Who said anything about keeping the current education system? Why do you think I mentioned funding education? So there could be new curriculums and programs added into schools that allows for kids that are the future of the nation to be properly educated to ensure that they're productive members of society. Or you can just not fund education systems like you said it's a waste of time and have retards entering the workforce and creating even a more retarded population than there is now.

What you fail to see, is that your grandparents were paying for a family of 3 with only 1 wage earner.

Now, you'd be sitting in a cardboard box if you tried that without receiving welfare from the government.

How can you be so confident when saying that? Or are you just assuming shit?

Also if education = wealth then why is America so stupid but so rich?

As of September 2014, foreigners owned $6.06 trillion of U.S. debt, or approximately 47% of the debt held by the public of $12.8 trillion and 34% of the total debt of $17.8 trillion.

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Just because Capitalism is flawed doesn't mean you have to try to introduce Socialism which would most likely fail in the states. Maybe coming up with an economic system that benefits all without the flaws of the system you speak of.


Contradicting yourself here, you automatically think i'm supporting Capitalism just because I don't support socialism?


Who said anything about keeping the current education system? Why do you think I mentioned funding education? So there could be new curriculums and programs added into schools that allows for kids that are the future of the nation to be properly educated to ensure that they're productive members of society. Or you can just not fund education systems like you said it's a waste of time and have retards entering the workforce and creating even a more retarded population than there is now.



How can you be so confident when saying that? Or are you just assuming shit?



As of September 2014, foreigners owned $6.06 trillion of U.S. debt, or approximately 47% of the debt held by the public of $12.8 trillion and 34% of the total debt of $17.8 trillion.

It's not about any economic theory being flawed, it's about human beings being flawed, therefor we balance the economics out according to human beings. Nobody is "introducing socialism" you desperate little pleb. Now you're just using the term socialism as an attack with no real definition. You paying your taxes for the government to then redistribute that tax money is socialism. The police, fire fighters, hospitals, doctors, all exist because of "socialism". Corporations filing for bankruptcy are socializing their losses by having all of us pay for them. Nobody is introducing anything, as I said before you've been fed a bunch of lies and bought into them. Socialism is just another economic philosophy, it's not a vocabulary term to use in attacks against people who you feel are opposing your misinterpretations.


No pleb you assume socialist economics is some black and white way of dictating our entire economy.


Never said not to fund education, specifically said "You'd be much better off funding research and developement of better education enviroments and methods." typos and all. Paying a racist retarded passive aggressive teacher more money isn't going to magically make them understand what theyre teacher or teaching it more effectively. You have to address the problem at it's source, and thats the system in which we educate kids. Finland is the best educational system we can learn from and adopt.


I'm 100% confident in saying that because I know multiple old people who claim and can prove they were able to provide for a family of 3 with only 1 wage earner. Despite my anecdotal experiences many people on some more political/economic directed forums have said the same thing in many other circumstances. That years ago (longer than I've been alive) the middle class was in such a position that it was literally affordable for a single person to work a 9-5 labor job 6 days of the week and properly take care of an entire family without the need of gov assistance. What happen since then is the middle class has been burden with the riches corporate welfare and tax cuts. The middle class are the ones that have suffered the most. While middle class wages went down, the cost of things went up, and the rich got exponentially richer. What has anyone done to fix it? Well politicians talk about helping the middle class but they never do. Just a bunch of aggressive taxes on the middle class and poor to make up for the riches ability to bribe politicians into passing legislation that lets the rich hold onto more money than they should of.


That statistic just emphasizes how economically destructive giant corporations are.

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That was a good statistic btw. Cite your source next time you post because I remember a similar statistic but it wasnt as drastic.

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It's not about any economic theory being flawed, it's about human beings being flawed, therefor we balance the economics out according to human beings. Nobody is "introducing socialism" you desperate little pleb. Now you're just using the term socialism as an attack with no real definition. You paying your taxes for the government to then redistribute that tax money is socialism. The police, fire fighters, hospitals, doctors, all exist because of "socialism". Corporations filing for bankruptcy are socializing their losses by having all of us pay for them. Nobody is introducing anything, as I said before you've been fed a bunch of lies and bought into them. Socialism is just another economic philosophy, it's not a vocabulary term to use in attacks against people who you feel are opposing your misinterpretations.


No pleb you assume socialist economics is some black and white way of dictating our entire economy.


Never said not to fund education, specifically said "You'd be much better off funding research and developement of better education enviroments and methods." typos and all. Paying a racist retarded passive aggressive teacher more money isn't going to magically make them understand what theyre teacher or teaching it more effectively. You have to address the problem at it's source, and thats the system in which we educate kids. Finland is the best educational system we can learn from and adopt.


I'm 100% confident in saying that because I know multiple old people who claim and can prove they were able to provide for a family of 3 with only 1 wage earner. Despite my anecdotal experiences many people on some more political/economic directed forums have said the same thing in many other circumstances. That years ago (longer than I've been alive) the middle class was in such a position that it was literally affordable for a single person to work a 9-5 labor job 6 days of the week and properly take care of an entire family without the need of gov assistance. What happen since then is the middle class has been burden with the riches corporate welfare and tax cuts. The middle class are the ones that have suffered the most. While middle class wages went down, the cost of things went up, and the rich got exponentially richer. What has anyone done to fix it? Well politicians talk about helping the middle class but they never do. Just a bunch of aggressive taxes on the middle class and poor to make up for the riches ability to bribe politicians into passing legislation that lets the rich hold onto more money than they should of.


That statistic just emphasizes how economically destructive giant corporations are.

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That was a good statistic btw. Cite your source next time you post because I remember a similar statistic but it wasnt as drastic.

Are you literally handicapped? What the fuck are you on about?

we balance the economics out according to human beings.

As you like to say, "you little pleb", no one is fucking "attacking" socialism. It simply has flaws that wouldn't work out in the US. Thus i'm talking about that a new economic system system be introduced which would be a modified version of economic systems we've come up with that don't have flaws.

Paying a racist retarded passive aggressive teacher more money isn't going to magically make them understand what theyre teacher or teaching it more effectively.

Shows where your head is at. "racist retarded passive aggressive teacher" Please tell me what the fuck went through your head when you came up with that? Nobody is talking about paying teachers more because it'll make them "better". I'm talking about creating new curriculums and programs and funding them. Pleb.

I'm 100% confident in saying that because I know multiple old people who claim and can prove they were able to provide for a family of 3 with only 1 wage earner. Despite my anecdotal experiences many people on some more political/economic directed forums have said the same thing in many other circumstances. That years ago (longer than I've been alive) the middle class was in such a position that it was literally affordable for a single person to work a 9-5 labor job 6 days of the week and properly take care of an entire family without the need of gov assistance. What happen since then is the middle class has been burden with the riches corporate welfare and tax cuts. The middle class are the ones that have suffered the most. While middle class wages went down, the cost of things went up, and the rich got exponentially richer. What has anyone done to fix it? Well politicians talk about helping the middle class but they never do. Just a bunch of aggressive taxes on the middle class and poor to make up for the riches ability to bribe politicians into passing legislation that lets the rich hold onto more money than they should of.

When you have a home and money. You could've easily worked a 9-5 job 6 days a week because you don't have to buy new shit. I'm talking about immigrant families. Sometimes bigger than 3 in my case who had only 1 breadwinner. How about you actually comprehend what the word relevance means in your little tiny pebble of a brain. I literally cannot even debate with you because your comprehension skills are so shit. It's either that or you're just retarded and can't form a proper reply. Go take your examples of "old people stories" and tell them to someone else and they'll shit on you. Pce out pleb

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You're demonizing the concept of socialism to attack me for my economic stances... And yet again we're not talking about applying a socialist philosophy to the heart of American economics. We're talking about proposing something that can be defined as socialism, which almost literally everything your government does for you can be considered socialism. People were wanting to increase pay on teachers but as everyone knows many teachers are just shit. Talking about what you teach, and how you teach it is two totally different things. You wanted to increase funding on education, I'm the one who mentioned funding R&D not you. Finally thanks for the ad hominem, I was talking about the fact the pay wage of the middle class has decreased but the overall cost of goods has increased, the corporate welfare has increased, the middle class taxes have increased. What I said was exactly that, theoretically if your grandparents did same exact things as you, they had a greater financial quality of life than you.

This is the second or third time you said you're done arguing. I can see you're just upset about your incapability to accept facts opposing what you originally thought you believed. In reality I don't think you disagree with anything I've said, I believe you're just unable to cope with the fact what you believe to believe is actually a lie or a falsehood. You were given a misinterpretation on purpose, maybe I as a person over the internet on these forums can't convey this to you, but perhaps you'll take interest in how you were beaten in this argument and learn how big the world really is. Pleb.

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You're demonizing the concept of socialism to attack me for my economic stances... And yet again we're not talking about applying a socialist philosophy to the heart of American economics. We're talking about proposing something that can be defined as socialism, which almost literally everything your government does for you can be considered socialism. People were wanting to increase pay on teachers but as everyone knows many teachers are just shit. Talking about what you teach, and how you teach it is two totally different things. You wanted to increase funding on education, I'm the one who mentioned funding R&D not you. Finally thanks for the ad hominem, I was talking about the fact the pay wage of the middle class has decreased but the overall cost of goods has increased, the corporate welfare has increased, the middle class taxes have increased. What I said was exactly that, theoretically if your grandparents did same exact things as you, they had a greater financial quality of life than you.

This is the second or third time you said you're done arguing. I can see you're just upset about your incapability to accept facts opposing what you originally thought you believed. In reality I don't think you disagree with anything I've said, I believe you're just unable to cope with the fact what you believe to believe is actually a lie or a falsehood. You were given a misinterpretation on purpose, maybe I as a person over the internet on these forums can't convey this to you, but perhaps you'll take interest in how you were beaten in this argument and learn how big the world really is. Pleb.

Lol mate you're special. You can't even specify what the fuck your point is half the time and you're going to speak of "winning an argument".

we balance the economics out according to human beings.

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You use "facts" and "statistics" that aren't relevant to a certain subject and then when I call you out on it you simply drop the argument and fill it in with the rest of the shit you went on about. If you consider that winning an argument then you really need to re-evaluate yourself. I wouldn't expect much from an individual that's an arm length head up the Left's ass. You're no different than all those other Leftist retards.

racist retarded passive aggressive teacher

Nice evaluation there bud.

[Dab]

Lol mate you're special. You can't even specify what the fuck your point is half the time and you're going to speak of "winning an argument".




You use "facts" and "statistics" that aren't relevant to a certain subject and then when I call you out on it you simply drop the argument and fill it in with the rest of the shit you went on about. If you consider that winning an argument then you really need to re-evaluate yourself. I wouldn't expect much from an individual that's an arm length head up the Left's ass. You're no different than all those other Leftist retards. Nice evaluation there bud.

You are outright attempting to create a strawman. I addressed every single one of your arguments and statements. You're exploiting the dismissing and downplaying tactic to appear correct. How about you debate with "facts" and "statistics" instead of relying on subjective arguments and blatant pity posts. I wont show you mercy pleb, learn your place.

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btw you claimed you were going to quit responding 4-5 posts ago. I guess your claims don't really match up with the evidence huh?

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You are outright attempting to create a strawman. I addressed every single one of your arguments and statements. You're exploiting the dismissing and downplaying tactic to appear correct. How about you debate with "facts" and "statistics" instead of relying on subjective arguments and blatant pity posts. I wont show you mercy pleb, learn your place.

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btw you claimed you were going to quit responding 4-5 posts ago. I guess your claims don't really match up with the evidence huh?

You use "facts" and "statistics" that aren't relevant to a certain subject and then when I call you out on it you simply drop the argument and fill it in with the rest of the shit you went on about. If you consider that winning an argument then you really need to re-evaluate yourself. I wouldn't expect much from an individual that's an arm length head up the Left's ass. You're no different than all those other Leftist retards.

i AdDrEsSeD eVeRy SiNgLe OnE oF yOuR aRgUmEnTs AnD sTaTeMeNtS.

I wont show you mercy pleb, learn your place.

Might want to go get tested for NPD (narcissistic personality disorder). Your tendencies to try so hard to prove you "win" arguments is enough for me to know you have NPD.

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God damn those racist Trump supporters, they gave their platform to BLM.

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Explain the difference between nazis and the bitch below

There is no point in trying to fight with them, they obviously won't listen.

[Dab]

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Might want to go get tested for NPD (narcissistic personality disorder). Your tendencies to try so hard to prove you "win" arguments is enough for me to know you have NPD.

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God damn those racist Trump supporters, they gave their platform to BLM.

I'm not narcsistic, I'm just educating you. That doesn't mean I think I'm better than you, I know I'm better than you. As for our conversation I upheld a sound argument and refuted what you had to say. You fall apart and just stop caring about the topic, instead of admitting your fault you want to pretend you're right.

I don't mind humoring you, but at the very least keep your posts coherent and on topic. The point of an argument is to advance the conversation, you just end it when you're proven wrong. That's not an argument, it's just a shit post.

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There is no point in trying to fight with them, they obviously won't listen.

Well I'm liberal so I listen pretty good. It's just others that don't listen and don't read or understand what they've read.

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I'm not narcsistic, I'm just educating you. That doesn't mean I think I'm better than you, I know I'm better than you. As for our conversation I upheld a sound argument and refuted what you had to say. You fall apart and just stop caring about the topic, instead of admitting your fault you want to pretend you're right.

I don't mind humoring you, but at the very least keep your posts coherent and on topic. The point of an argument is to advance the conversation, you just end it when you're proven wrong. That's not an argument, it's just a shit post.

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Well I'm liberal so I listen pretty good. It's just others that don't listen and don't read or understand what they've read.

I know I'm better than you

How so? Narcissist? You didn't refute what I said. All you did was try to convince me that what you were saying is actually "right". You're whole point was trying to prove to me that Socialism is "good" by bringing up shit arguments like that one i'll mention below.

You paying your taxes for the government to then redistribute that tax money is socialism. The police, fire fighters, hospitals, doctors, all exist because of "socialism"

Paying taxes isn't socialism. I don't know how I missed reading this dumb fucking point before. Taxes are the way a government is funded. Police/Fire-fighters/Hospitals/Doctors are all controlled by the government and provided as a service to the citizens. These people you mentioned are therefore employed by the government/state or province/municipality which pays them. They're not re-distributing money. Read this carefully you dumb fucking pleb *You are paying for services when you pay taxes for the things you've mentioned*. Taxes are the price we pay for civilization. Buttttt, I wouldn't expect a dumb narcissistic leftist retard like you to understand. I could go off and list off all the dumb fucking stupid shit you've said in the last 2 pages but i'd be wasting my time with an individual who can't see past their own retarded agenda.

Now, fuck off back to venezula pleb.

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There is no point in trying to fight with them, they obviously won't listen.

I'd rather try than see the Anti-Left grow and thrive as a Nazi ideology.