Computer Building

[Charion]

do not get cheap. cheap motherboards are cheap because they use cheap components. cheap voltage regulator module design with cheap onboard MOSFETs.
cheap motherboards will limit your CPU's response to PBO and stability of your applied DOCP/XMP

mini itx is a choice, though I would recommend against it.
less expansion slots.



agreed here. do not buy for the word "gaming" in the name

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Here's a list of S Tier (the best) motherboards that I would buy right now:

Asus ROG STRIX B550-E GAMING
ASRock B550 Taichi Razer Edition
ASRock B550 Taichi
Gigabyte B550 AORUS MASTER (personal recommendation)(literally the best of the best)
Gigabyte B550 AORUS PRO AX
MSI MEG B550 UNIFY
MSI MAG X570S TOMAHAWK MAX WIFI
MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI
MSI MPG B550I GAMING EDGE MAX WIFI
MSI MPG B550I GAMING EDGE WIFI Mini
MSI MPG B550 GAMING EDGE WIFI
MSI MPG B550 GAMING CARBON WIFI

These boards have the absolute cleanest power delivery of current generation motherboards and are reasonably priced at the moment.
Also all of the above listed happen to have inbuilt wifi-6
If you don't want my recommended one, just pick the cheapest one or whichever one you like the look of the best on that list. You can't go wrong.

Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) is not on the list because it has inferior power delivery compared to those listed above

While I applaud you for agreeing with Solvi about how you shouldn't buy a gaming motherboard, BUT YOU LITERALLY LISTED quite a few of GAMING MOTHERBOARDS, hypocrisy at its finest.

[skillkill]

While I applaud you for agreeing with Solvi about how you shouldn't buy a gaming motherboard, BUT YOU LITERALLY LISTED quite a few of GAMING MOTHERBOARDS, hypocrisy at its finest.

I didn't say you shouldn't buy a gaming motherboard though
I said; don't get tricked into buying a product just because it has the G-word in its name.

do not buy for the word "gaming" in the name

those motherboards I listed are literally the best motherboards on the market that are still reasonably priced in my region. they just happen to have the G-word in their names

[Charion]

I didn't say you shouldn't buy a gaming motherboard though
I said; don't get tricked into buying a product just because it has the G-word in its name.



those motherboards I listed are literally the best motherboards on the market that are still reasonably priced in my region. they just happen to have the G-word in their names

Well, maybe you should be more comprehensive and direct next time rather than saying and I shall quote "agreed here. do not buy for the word "gaming" in the name" - that does not really translate into "don't get tricked into buying a product that has gaming in it" - that's just my opinion

also, what's up with g-word?

[skillkill]

Well, maybe you should be more comprehensive and direct next time rather than saying and I shall quote "agreed here. do not buy for the word "gaming" in the name" - that does not really translate into "don't get tricked into buying a product that has gaming in it" - that's just my opinion

it does though. the wording is correct. I even used quotation marks to highlight the word in my original statement.

do not buy for the word "gaming" in the name. you should not place importance on the word "gaming" being in the name when purchasing a product.

what's up with g-word?

gaming headphones, gaming motherboard, gaming mouse, gaming monitor.
"gaming" is overused in the industry and is there to trick buyers who are only buying hardware for playing games.
mostly because at the end of the day, the people who buy their products will be using them to play games.
when it's used in a product name or product description, we call it the G-word

[Bernard]

case: lian li 011 dynamic



For CPU cooling, you can get the Be quiet! Dark Rock Pro4
or the Noctua NH-D15 Black

Both are top tier air cooling solutions

Also your ram choice on your pc.partpicker list CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 seems odd. very cheap ram and will inhibit your CPU performance
if you want to get the most performance from your r9 5900x I would recommend different ram.

For 2x8GB:
CMK16GX4M2Z3600C14 (Cheapest option here but not actually cheap)
AX4U360038G14C-DT60
F4-4000C15D-16GVK
ND4U0836144BRADE
F4-3600C14D-16GTZNB

For 2x16GB:
F4-3600C14D-32GTZN (personal recommendation)(Samsung B-die, memory modules are dual rank, looks great)

I decided to buy Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory yesterday. Was the cheapest price/GB wise for RAM cards above DDR4-3000 (also read/watched a bunch of benchmark tests using different RAM speeds and it seemed that anything after 3200 has diminishing returns, especially once you go above 3800). Also a bunch of newer games running at 4k ultra settings utilizes a fuck ton of my RAM, so I needed to upgrade from 16 to 32 if I want to be able to have my game and chrome browser running simultaneously. Didn't realize RAM speeds mattered really, thought as long as it was DDR4, it was fine. The RAM cards in that build were like good ones when I first built my PC like 6 years ago lol.

[Assistive]

do not get cheap. cheap motherboards are cheap because they use cheap components. cheap voltage regulator module design with cheap onboard MOSFETs.
cheap motherboards will limit your CPU's response to PBO and stability of your applied DOCP/XMP

mini itx is a choice, though I would recommend against it.
less expansion slots.



agreed here. do not buy for the word "gaming" in the name

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Here's a list of S Tier (the best) motherboards that I would buy right now:

Asus ROG STRIX B550-E GAMING
ASRock B550 Taichi Razer Edition
ASRock B550 Taichi
Gigabyte B550 AORUS MASTER (personal recommendation)(literally the best of the best)
Gigabyte B550 AORUS PRO AX
MSI MEG B550 UNIFY
MSI MAG X570S TOMAHAWK MAX WIFI
MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI
MSI MPG B550I GAMING EDGE MAX WIFI
MSI MPG B550I GAMING EDGE WIFI Mini
MSI MPG B550 GAMING EDGE WIFI
MSI MPG B550 GAMING CARBON WIFI

These boards have the absolute cleanest power delivery of current generation motherboards and are reasonably priced at the moment.
Also all of the above listed happen to have inbuilt wifi-6
If you don't want my recommended one, just pick the cheapest one or whichever one you like the look of the best on that list. You can't go wrong.

Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) is not on the list because it has inferior power delivery compared to those listed above

All he needs is a motherboard that supports higher RAM speeds. 5000mhz speeds and higher arent too far away.

[SH0N3]

Following thread

[skillkill]

I decided to buy Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory yesterday.

very reasonable money-conscious choice

also read/watched a bunch of benchmark tests using different RAM speeds and it seemed that anything after 3200 has diminishing returns, especially once you go above 3800

This is true. the performance increase between 3200 cl16 and 3600 cl14 is probably less than 5%

Didn't realize RAM speeds mattered really, thought as long as it was DDR4, it was fine

Ram speed didn't matter until around 3-4 years ago so you'd be right. Ryzen CPUs (unlike Intel) benefit from high frequency, low latency ram a lot so that's why you see the default ram speed of choice being 3200 cl16. generally, you top out with 3600mhz cl14. At this speed, it will run at the same frequency as the infinity fabric within the Ryzen CPU leading to maximised performance without any manual tinkering.

By the way, your R9 5900x is one of the best consumer CPUs on the market (second only to the R9 5950x). So I'm just giving some recommendations I think are reasonable for your CPU

[Charion]

it does though. the wording is correct. I even used quotation marks to highlight the word in my original statement.

do not buy for the word "gaming" in the name. you should not place importance on the word "gaming" being in the name when purchasing a product.



gaming headphones, gaming motherboard, gaming mouse, gaming monitor.
"gaming" is overused in the industry and is there to trick buyers who are only buying hardware for playing games.
mostly because at the end of the day, the people who buy their products will be using them to play games.
when it's used in a product name or product description, we call it the G-word

Yes, gaming is overused, however it shouldn't be shortened into g-word lmfao like everything within 30 years with millennials and gen-z been on this earth. And, there been some gaming motherboards with features that are good

[killingspree888]

Yes, gaming is overused, however it shouldn't be shortened into g-word lmfao like everything within 30 years with millennials and gen-z been on this earth. And, there been some gaming motherboards with features that are good

I would agree with this. Also, I think gaming mice are not that bad anymore.

[Bernard]

My old case had a screw stuck in a certain spot so I had to buy a new case. Went to microcenter and asked for a recommendation and the associate recommended me the Lian Li Lancool 205 which cost like $100. I was like sure whatever. Also needed a new cooler since the bracket on my old fan was a little wonky. The microcenter associate asked if I was looking for air or liquid cooling and I said air. He gave me a face and said with a high end processor like a Ryzen 9 5900x I highly recommend liquid cooling so he recommended I get a Lian Li Galahad AIO (think this cost like $150?). Once again I was like sure whatever I guess better a high end liquid cooling system instead of a random fan for a high end CPU. Motherboard also got delivered today so I started building the PC today. Started at 5 pm and basically was working on the build until midnight when I finished putting everything together (note I also had to disassemble my old pc to salvage drives and RAM cards). Then I tried to boot it and got a booting error. I decided I needed a break. Around 3:30 AM I started googling solutions and turns out I just had to move the cpu fan power to cpu fan 1 instead of cpu fan opt (even though the fans were operating fine on cpu fan opt). After that it booted properly and my bios updated itself and repaired my drives. Its now 5 AM. Spent 8 hours building this PC. Basically a whole days work. That being said everything works fine now but next time if I ever have to replace a motherboard, I'm just paying for a pre-built. Building a pc is just too time consuming and stressful. I was sweaty af too.

Bright side, I can now run Ghost Recon Breakpoint at ultimate (max) textures on 4k and average 57 fps (before, id get like high 20s low 30s fps with the Ryzen 7 1700x). Cpu usage is like 17%, gpu usage is 97-98%. Think at this point the 3060ti is the performance bottleneck, but don't think I'm going to upgrade to a 3080ti/3090 just yet. Going to download far cry 6 tomorrow and do some benchmarks.

I also need to figure out how to disable the RGB on my motherboard (assuming its in the bios somewhere?). When I turn off my computer, the case lights and fan lights turn off but the motherboard stays on so long as the pc is plugged in and the psu is on. The light bugs me when I'm trying to sleep.

Appreciate everyones' feedback. I actually read through every single post to be as knowledgeable as possible.

[killingspree888]

My old case had a screw stuck in a certain spot so I had to buy a new case. Went to microcenter and asked for a recommendation and the associate recommended me the Lian Li Lancool 205 which cost like $100. I was like sure whatever. Also needed a new cooler since the bracket on my old fan was a little wonky. The microcenter associate asked if I was looking for air or liquid cooling and I said air. He gave me a face and said with a high end processor like a Ryzen 9 5900x I highly recommend liquid cooling so he recommended I get a Lian Li Galahad AIO (think this cost like $150?). Once again I was like sure whatever I guess better a high end liquid cooling system instead of a random fan for a high end CPU. Motherboard also got delivered today so I started building the PC today. Started at 5 pm and basically was working on the build until midnight when I finished putting everything together (note I also had to disassemble my old pc to salvage drives and RAM cards). Then I tried to boot it and got a booting error. I decided I needed a break. Around 3:30 AM I started googling solutions and turns out I just had to move the cpu fan power to cpu fan 1 instead of cpu fan opt (even though the fans were operating fine on cpu fan opt). After that it booted properly and my bios updated itself and repaired my drives. Its now 5 AM. Spent 8 hours building this PC. Basically a whole days work. That being said everything works fine now but next time if I ever have to replace a motherboard, I'm just paying for a pre-built. Building a pc is just too time consuming and stressful. I was sweaty af too.

Bright side, I can now run Ghost Recon Breakpoint at ultimate (max) textures on 4k and average 57 fps (before, id get like high 20s low 30s fps with the Ryzen 7 1700x). Cpu usage is like 17%, gpu usage is 97-98%. Think at this point the 3060ti is the performance bottleneck, but don't think I'm going to upgrade to a 3080ti/3090 just yet. Going to download far cry 6 tomorrow and do some benchmarks.

I also need to figure out how to disable the RGB on my motherboard (assuming its in the bios somewhere?). When I turn off my computer, the case lights and fan lights turn off but the motherboard stays on so long as the pc is plugged in and the psu is on. The light bugs me when I'm trying to sleep.

Appreciate everyones' feedback. I actually read through every single post to be as knowledgeable as possible.

It's great that you got to build your pc successfully. It's alright if you did not enjoy the experience. Building a PC is not for everyone and time is money. Hopefully it was a learning experience though. And don't worry about the prices for your aio and case, as long as temps are good and stuff, you should be fine. Enjoy gaming!

[Lil Pump]

imagine not buying a prebuilt in 2021 L

[skillkill]

Yes, gaming is overused, however it shouldn't be shortened into g-word lmfao like everything within 30 years with millennials and gen-z been on this earth. And, there been some gaming motherboards with features that are good

I would agree with this. Also, I think gaming mice are not that bad anymore.

xd yea I'm only talking about product names, not product categories. companies make great motherboards and then proceed to throw on the word gaming onto their product names

like if Logitech named their gaming mice "logitech G pro gaming wireless"
or if ducky named their keyboards "ducky one 2 mini red gaming"

the associate recommended me the Lian Li Lancool 205 which cost like $100. I was like sure whatever.

clean and simple case with a proven track record

he recommended I get a Lian Li Galahad AIO (think this cost like $150?). Once again I was like sure whatever I guess better a high end liquid cooling system

a perfectly reasonable option. Though fan options mentioned are high-end air cooling solutions so they would also get the job done. the r9 5900x is obscenely energy efficient and doesn't produce as much heat as you might expect so you might have saved some 50 odd dollars

Cpu usage is like 17%

yea you probably will never push 30% even with a more powerful GPU. your CPU is a beast among beasts

gpu usage is 97-98%. Think at this point the 3060ti is the performance bottleneck

yea this is normal behaviour. your GPU should always be the bottleneck when gaming. if not, and your CPU is the bottleneck, you will have massive stuttering and delays in mouse movement and your system will feel unresponsive.

how to disable the RGB on my motherboard

in bios: advanced > onboard devices configuration >
at the bottom, there is an option for "when system is in sleep" > set that to "stealth"

Its now 5 AM. Spent 8 hours building this PC. Basically a whole days work. That being said everything works fine now but next time if I ever have to replace a motherboard, I'm just paying for a pre-built. Building a pc is just too time consuming and stressful. I was sweaty af too.

I like to push people to build their own PCs, I admit that. It's not for everyone for sure, especially when it comes to troubleshooting.
Additionally, generally, people recommend against pre-built PCs because those providers like to cheap out on the power supply, motherboard, the ram and the cooling for your system. (I have horror stories)
In future, if you have a mate who can put your build together for you or watch over you, that'd be my recommendation.

Really really great to hear the system you put together with your own hand's works though. Good shit

[Bernard]

I like to push people to build their own PCs, I admit that. It's not for everyone for sure, especially when it comes to troubleshooting.
Additionally, generally, people recommend against pre-built PCs because those providers like to cheap out on the power supply, motherboard, the ram and the cooling for your system. (I have horror stories)
In future, if you have a mate who can put your build together for you or watch over you, that'd be my recommendation.

Really really great to hear the system you put together with your own hand's works though. Good shit

By prebuilt pcs, I moreso mean like those sites where you choose all your parts and then they basically build it all for you and send it to you (companies that come to mind are like NZXT and IBuyPower). I'd assume that if you're choosing the parts then you get exactly what you're looking for. Also haven't checked, but I assume most companies put a fee on top whether a flat fee to build or as a % of total cost. With certain parts mostly being sold by scalpers for exorbitant prices the difference might not be too drastic, but idk since I haven't really checked extensively.

Edit: Also noticed that my RAM cards are suppose to be DDR4-3000 (or at least that's what's written on the RAM cards) but my motherboards, both past and present both set RAM to 2133 MHz. I went into the BIOS and manually set it to DDR4-3000 and haven't run into any issues yet. I heard if you try booting at a frequency thats greater than what your RAM can handle that your computer will fail to boot (and luckily mine booted properly). Also set the RGB to stealth when my computer is off and it does turn off most lights though it still has a dim red lighting when I look into the case. Going to look through the BIOS a bit more.