The Atheist's view of how the Universe started

[Paroxysm]

Let me ask you this if a person were to come up to you and show you a miracle will you believe?

Define miracle.

[[MPGH]Ethereal]

Let me ask you this if a person were to come up to you and show you a miracle will you believe?

Depends on what this Miracle is.

If it's some Chris Angel shit..no

[dragon73]

Depends on what this Miracle is.

If it's some Chris Angel shit..no

Then you will fall into the trap of the devil and the antichrist which someday if not our life time will show miracles and many will believe.
Revelation 13:
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.
But I am glad you gave me an honest answer.

[Maddoc]

How do you know what's good and whats bad ,who taught or showed mankind ?
No evolutionists knows the answer because they weren't there when it all began, all you can quote is other men who wrote books because they hated the view that there is a God.


Yes ,and unfortunate many people have a one way ticket to hell because of those views.
But God made a way out of that destination(John 3:16)

I learned MYSELF whats right and wrong by what I feel.

[Paroxysm]

I learned MYSELF whats right and wrong by what I feel.

I feel like raping small children. Therefor it is right.

[dragon73]

I learned MYSELF whats right and wrong by what I feel.

You have the free will to believe what you want and that is you God given right .But when someone bad mouths my beliefs I'm going to show them that they are sadly mistaken.

[Nitehawk772]

No1 bad mouthed shit... sdfu dude...

[[MPGH]Ethereal]

Then you will fall into the trap of the devil and the antichrist which someday if not our life time will show miracles and many will believe.
Revelation 13:
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.
But I am glad you gave me an honest answer.

Stop acting like you know what you're talking about, because it's obvious you don't.

What part of "Depends on what this miracle is" did you not understand?
Did I give you any examples that would lead you to believe that I would be lead astray by the non-existent influences of the non-existent AntiChrist? No? Ok, then cram your c/p of Revelations, already read it more times then I can remember.

[dragon73]

Stop acting like you know what you're talking about, because it's obvious you don't.

What part of "Depends on what this miracle is" did you not understand?
Did I give you any examples that would lead you to believe that I would be lead astray by the non-existent influences of the non-existent AntiChrist? No? Ok, then cram your c/p of Revelations, already read it more times then I can remember.

Just with pondering the question Depends on what this miracle is,you have proven to me that you will fall for that Beast system.Don't get mad at me because I'm pointing the truth at you.For some reason you think this is a compitition to me,well it's not.So in closing even just pondering on what miracle you will fail at the times of temptations.But you don't believe in God or His word so be it.Oh and BTW I do know what I'm talking about you repeating it won't help ,I've been a christian for more than 20 years

[[MPGH]Ethereal]

Just with pondering the question Depends on what this miracle is,you have proven to me that you will fall for that Beast system.Don't get mad at me because I'm pointing the truth at you.For some reason you think this is a compitition to me,well it's not.So in closing even just pondering on what miracle you will fail at the times of temptations.But you don't believe in God or His word so be it.Oh and BTW I do know what I'm talking about you repeating it won't help ,I've been a christian for more than 20 years

Old guy, you don't know truth about anything. You're basing your argument on fictional characters.
Yes, you were born in 1973, and most likely in some backwoods redneck town where you couldn't even get a decent grammar class , considering how chaotic your sentence structure and spelling is.
I don't really care how old you are, or how long you've been a Christian.
It's an old dog, you aren't going to reveal anything new to me that I already haven't studied.
Also, let's stop being a hypocrite as well, because the way you try to carry your points across comes off as you being competitive.
Now back on topic.

I never once gave you a time frame concerning this miracle,
therefore your conclusion that I would fall for the "Beast" is basically nothing but your own misguided opinions,
and your need to win this little debate. Unfortunetly for you it's not gonna happen.
Sorry Gramps. Let the youngster school you real quick.

"Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, every one who pierced him; and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen." {Rev 1:7}

This would be a miracle am I right?

Kthnx.

[[MPGH]Doc]

Just with pondering the question Depends on what this miracle is,you have proven to me that you will fall for that Beast system.Don't get mad at me because I'm pointing the truth at you.For some reason you think this is a compitition to me,well it's not.So in closing even just pondering on what miracle you will fail at the times of temptations.But you don't believe in God or His word so be it.Oh and BTW I do know what I'm talking about you repeating it won't help ,I've been a christian for more than 20 years

You really suck at grammar for an old dude.

[dragon73]

Thank you it's one of my flaws.
Gracias es una de mis debilidades.

[[MPGH]Doc]

Thank you it's one of my flaws.
Gracias es una de mis debilidades.

Mind not dodging Ethereal's post. It might seem a bit much to comprehend for someone so absent minded, but I want to see what you come up with.

[dragon73]

That passage in the Bible is of christ comming to earth again,but the passage I gave you earlier was about the antichrist/the beast.The antichrist comes first an shows miracles way before when Jesus comes back ;that's why I said that if you were looking for a miracle you will fall for the antichristAnd no this is not a compitition to me ,sorry if you think of it that way.I don't need to prove that God exists,because He just does.Also my Faith is not based on only things that are not seen but personal expierences that I have had with my Heavenly Father throughout my walk in life with Him.I don't mean to offend anyone but this is what I belive in,and in the end it is by Faith that you believe in God some are lucky to see Him preform in their lives some not ,and like I said a long time ago I am a sinner just like you the only thing that sets me apart from you is that I have chosen to follow Jesus and His teachings.
And in closing once again you offend me with lies that you make up ;you are far from the truth when you call me a red neck.I don't have to reveal anything to you of who I am,but I will say this one thing that's wrong with this world is that the younger generation believes that they have all the answers ;when in fact it is those whom have lived longer and learned from their mistakes that know more.

[[MPGH]Doc]

That passage in the Bible is of christ comming to earth again,but the passage I gave you earlier was about the antichrist/the beast.The antichrist comes first an shows miracles way before when Jesus comes back ;that's why I said that if you were looking for a miracle you will fall for the antichristAnd no this is not a compitition to me ,sorry if you think of it that way.I don't need to prove that God exists,because He just does.Also my Faith is not based on only things that are not seen but personal expierences that I have had with my Heavenly Father throughout my walk in life with Him.I don't mean to offend anyone but this is what I belive in,and in the end it is by Faith that you believe in God some are lucky to see Him preform in their lives some not ,and like I said a long time ago I am a sinner just like you the only thing that sets me apart from you is that I have chosen to follow Jesus and His teachings.
And in closing once again you offend me with lies that you make up ;you are far from the truth when you call me a red neck.I don't have to reveal anything to you of who I am,but I will say this one thing that's wrong with this world is that the younger generation believes that they have all the answers ;when in fact it is those whom have lived longer and learned from their mistakes that know more.

I know a lot of older people who are stupid. Judging by your grammar and your inability to come with a rational argument (hell you can't even read into other peoples comments without skewing it to what your mind believes), you're one of them.