yep dave.. but they also dont seem very experienced.. and keyloggers and trojans are both pretty dang detectable.. i found that less people scan for trojans hence the reason i prefer them and beast one of those genorators.. its easy to set up if u arnt a complete retard.. but yep have fun guys im done with keyloggin and trojaning myself (used to do it for runescape which i finally stopped playin cuase its gay..)