god is a lie

[BioHazard]

Okey Human existed on this planet for about 200,000 years ( long time tho ),Don't you think why in the early life of the humans not made such technology that we have ? i mean we have been about 5000 ,10000 years to reach this current technology ? why the early humans didn't reach it ?

Want my opinion? Aliens... look at ancient civilization's hieroglyphics ect, there are half man half other creatures. And yea, it is quite wierd that we got smart all of a sudden, which just helps add to the fact that aliens might have helped us or came here and left something behind that helped us. God is a MYTH something people believe in because they dont want to bear the fact that they dont know all the answers. I am going to be laughing my ass off when something like in Paul happens, where an alien comes and he is all like "If god created you in his image, what tf am I?" its going to happen eventually, space is so big it is unimaginable and you would have to be a fucking idiot to beleive we are the center of and the only living things in the universe.

[GTX970]

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Do you believe every word in the Quran?

Yes and i read every word in it so this how i converted to it

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I wonder how the construction workers built such amazing buildings ..
Did they follow one person who told them what to do?
Hmmm ... Lets think about that ..

I think that person is called an Architect or a Contractor



They followed what their masters ordered them to do

Not easy for uneducated Workers do what their masters tell them it need high skills of bulding.

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Main cause of that War was religion
I don't care who started it and I'm not even talking about who started it
Religion was the main cause


Do you agree?

Nope.
You still didn't get my point they turned the religion to make it their legal excuse to start the war even without religion the war will start with any other excuse.

Want my opinion? Aliens... look at ancient civilization's hieroglyphics ect, there are half man half other creatures. And yea, it is quite wierd that we got smart all of a sudden, which just helps add to the fact that aliens might have helped us or came here and left something behind that helped us. God is a MYTH something people believe in because they dont want to bear the fact that they don't know all the answers. I am going to be laughing my ass off when something like in Paul happens, where an alien comes and he is all like "If god created you in his image, what tf am I?" its going to happen eventually, space is so big it is unimaginable and you would have to be a fucking idiot to beleive we are the center of and the only living things in the universe.

99.9% Aliens Exist yet (their is 0.1% chance they don't exist).
Maybe your theory is right but it doesn't make sence to me too many questions like what they would benift when they help us aren't they afraid that we get the technology and be stronger than them ?

[BioHazard]

99.9% Aliens Exist yet (their is 0.1% chance they don't exist).
Maybe your theory is right but it doesn't make sence to me too many questions like what they would benift when they help us aren't they afraid that we get the technology and be stronger than them ?

Like I said, maybe they helped us without realizing it, possibly by leaving something behind that helped us get as far as we have.

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Yes and i read every word in it so this how i converted to it

Then explain this:
Noah's ark held 2 of every animal on Earth
Noah's ark came to rest at some place in the Middle East
So from that place in the Middle East, the animals spread out to all parts of the world

Tell me why are Kangaroos found only in Australia?
Why isn't there a shred of evidence that suggest they migrated from the Middle East to Australia?
There isn't a single species of the Kangaroo in or around the Middle East
No fossils were even found..

And why did the Penguins only migrated to Antartica
Is there something wrong in the north?

Also, if God really did flood the world till the peak of the highest mountains, the temperatures would be unbelievably cold for any animal to bear ..
They would all die due to the cold ..

Not easy for uneducated Workers do what their masters tell them it need high skills of bulding.

The masters can easily tell them what to do ..
If you check the Hieroglyphics in the Egyptian Pyramids ..
You'll see a group of semi-nude SLAVES moving big blocks of the pyramids

In ancient Egypt
The masters wore good clothing
the slaves wore a simple cloth around their privates

Nope.

You still didn't get my point they turned the religion to make it their legal excuse to start the war even without religion the war will start with any other excuse.

Religion caused the Crusades
You statement that without religion, the war will start with other excuses is just a theory.
Don't talk about theories and stupid assumptions
Talk about what happened in the Past
and what happened in the past was that RELIGION caused the damn crusades which killing a lot of people.

[Empire]

1- Science exist to know what God did and their sake in this universe and i agree that Science give us more information than religion but Who came up with the orders to search and learn Religion+Human Brain
2- Islam didn't inspire Algebra but yet Made too much discoveries ( We don't lay ourselves on what we have made but it is a face can't be denied )
3- As i mentioned it is not a lazy answer but to reach to this answer "God did it" is a discovery,It will be a lazy answer when we say "Okey god did let's live without discovering or achieving anything" in this case you are right But in Religion God prevented that and ordered us not to do that he ordered to Believe in him to know he created all of this and beside that work with science and discover how it came from untill we reach a level that will excede our mind and brain.


1- i am saying that if religion is the source of the Dark ages across the history How in the same time Religion in it's holy books ordered the people to learnn and educate don't you find it wierd ?

2- How i am special pleading about "god created us then who created god",If you think a second time in it you will find it doesn't make sence at all.

3- i agree in a part and disagree in the anthore part
"Why would god bother?"
Probably because he created us.
He already know who is evil and who is good,Judgment won't be pointless because you are free to choose to go in the left or right side but not free to choose how money you get from your job or when you will die but free how you will use this money in evil or good
4- He doesn't exist for a sake of a point he exist cause this universe would riped apart if there is no balance in it.

1 Science is secular, end of story.
2 Islam didn't discover anything.....
3 What you are doing is called "god of the gaps". You put anything you don't know and say "god did it".
-Alternate: Or claiming somehow "god showed us" after it was clearly discovered through non-religious means and had nothing to do with the religion.

1-Because religion also orders a whole bunch of other shit that prevents advancement.
2-Special pleading. "Everything needs a creator, except god. Why? Because he's god." It's basically stating that god is outside of the universal rule you just applied with no reason or evidence provided.
3- Determinism refutes your argument.

4-You have no evidence for that claim.

[DavidSulina]

Alright, i'm going to worship Satan because all the chit-chat this thread made.

[GTX970]

Then explain this:
Noah's ark held 2 of every animal on Earth
Noah's ark came to rest at some place in the Middle East
So from that place in the Middle East, the animals spread out to all parts of the world

Tell me why are Kangaroos found only in Australia?
Why isn't there a shred of evidence that suggest they migrated from the Middle East to Australia?
There isn't a single species of the Kangaroo in or around the Middle East
No fossils were even found..

And why did the Penguins only migrated to Antartica
Is there something wrong in the north?

Also, if God really did flood the world till the peak of the highest mountains, the temperatures would be unbelievably cold for any animal to bear ..
They would all die due to the cold ..

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Continental Drift Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_drift
Noah was in old age of human history which probably when he landed each Species Migrated to the place where it finds it possible to live in

Let's assume that Noah's ark was at the peek of mountain Everest which is the largest Peek now (at Noah's Time Probably Mountain's peek where not that long)
in the wormest mounth of Mountain Everest Temperature reaches -19° C which animals and human can hold on for a day or two (Probably the flood won't last that long)

The masters can easily tell them what to do ..
If you check the Hieroglyphics in the Egyptian Pyramids ..
You'll see a group of semi-nude SLAVES moving big blocks of the pyramids

In ancient Egypt
The masters wore good clothing
the slaves wore a simple cloth around their privates
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You are like saying that we can bring any normal man and tell him to build a house without knowing how to build
There is Hieroglyphics also that show that they where honored after the Pyramid was built and a simple prove that i mentioned also that they made for them a separte tomb beside the pyramids

So..?

Religion caused the Crusades
You statement that without religion, the war will start with other excuses is just a theory.
Don't talk about theories and stupid assumptions
Talk about what happened in the Past
and what happened in the past was that RELIGION caused the damn crusades which killing a lot of people.

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I am with you in this point,But you can't deny the fact that i mentioned early

1 Science is secular, end of story.

Prove it

2 Islam didn't discover anything.....

Read the quran,If you did and understanded it and still you don't see Miracles,Then Debating with you is useless

3 What you are doing is called "god of the gaps". You put anything you don't know and say "god did it".
-Alternate: Or claiming somehow "god showed us" after it was clearly discovered through non-religious means and had nothing to do with the religion.

You are taking a part of my words and put it and denny the other part.
I Said that "God did it" BUT WE MUST KNOW WHERE IT COME FROM for example.
If bigbang theory is right,Then we must know what is beyond it and learn more about what was before bigbang In the same time We believe that God did this

1-Because religion also orders a whole bunch of other shit that prevents advancement.

Mention it.

2-Special pleading. "Everything needs a creator, except god. Why? Because he's god." It's basically stating that god is outside of the universal rule you just applied with no reason or evidence provided.

Because He created the universe how the rules of universe and the rule of "Thing came from a Thing" would apply on God who created this rule xD

3- Determinism refutes your argument.

Determinism Proves my point and doesn't refutes it

4-You have no evidence for that claim.

If we play you "you don't have an evidence" game then we won't prove anything

[Symmetrical]

Continental Drift Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_drift
Noah was in old age of human history which probably when he landed each Species Migrated to the place where it finds it possible to live in

Let's assume that Noah's ark was at the peek of mountain Everest which is the largest Peek now (at Noah's Time Probably Mountain's peek where not that long)
in the wormest mounth of Mountain Everest Temperature reaches -19° C which animals and human can hold on for a day or two (Probably the flood won't last that long)

The last "major" break up of the continents occurred around 65 million years ago.. that's when all the dinosaurs went extinct.
Humans first appeared around 2.4 million years ago

See that huge time gap?
Your theory of the continental drift with the story of Noah's ark is completely false
Do you agree?

No animal (except some of the very furry ones) can survive in that temperature
According to the books, the flood during Noah's time lasted for 40 days ..

Oh and Kangaroos can easily live in some parts in Africa, Mongolia, and various other grasslands

You are like saying that we can bring any normal man and tell him to build a house without knowing how to build
There is Hieroglyphics also that show that they where honored after the Pyramid was built and a simple prove that i mentioned also that they made for them a separte tomb beside the pyramids

So..?

Are you the master of that "normal" man?
I'm talking about the slaves who were forced and told what to do by their masters
The slaves were sacrificed as an offering to the gods after building the pyramids

I am with you in this point,But you can't deny the fact that i mentioned early

Like I said, I don't care who started the fight..

[GTX970]

The last "major" break up of the continents occurred around 65 million years ago.. that's when all the dinosaurs went extinct.
Humans first appeared around 2.4 million years ago

See that huge time gap?
Your theory of the continental drift with the story of Noah's ark is completely false
Do you agree?

No animal (except some of the very furry ones) can survive in that temperature
According to the books, the flood during Noah's time lasted for 40 days ..

Oh and Kangaroos can easily live in some parts in Africa, Mongolia, and various other grasslands

Maybe
Continents Broke up Many times acroos the Earth History
And Yet scientists didn't reach the Full timeline of the Continents Break up so i think my theory could actually work

Which books ? Quran didn't stated the time that the flood lasted.
As i mentioned Kangaroos probably didn't appeared in Noah's Age they evolved from a elder specie which found that Australia Climate is the best for it.
You got a point that they can live in parts of Africa ( Now ) but at Noah's Time you don't know the Weather and Climate was in Africa and Australia

Are you the master of that "normal" man?
I'm talking about the slaves who were forced and told what to do by their masters
The slaves were sacrificed as an offering to the gods after building the pyramids

I mean with a "Normal man" that his level of education is Medium at that time.
You come back to the same point,They weren't Slaves they were professional builders and i gave you proof of my point.
If your theory works How they are forced to build the pyramids and considiring them "Slaves" and in the same time You say that they sacrifice to the gods by building the pyramids.

Like I said, I don't care who started the fight..

Neither me

[Symmetrical]

Maybe
Continents Broke up Many times acroos the Earth History
And Yet scientists didn't reach the Full timeline of the Continents Break up so i think my theory could actually work

Which books ? Quran didn't stated the time that the flood lasted.
As i mentioned Kangaroos probably didn't appeared in Noah's Age they evolved from a elder specie which found that Australia Climate is the best for it.
You got a point that they can live in parts of Africa ( Now ) but at Noah's Time you don't know the Weather and Climate was in Africa and Australia

If you look at the Pangaea
You'll see how far Australia is from Eurasia
Scientist did prove when the final major break up occurred
and I mean come on
There is almost 60 million year gap between the final breakup of the continents and the first appearance of man

Tell me, did the Quran mention any dinosaurs?

It's not possible for the Continents theory to work with Noah's theory
Even if it worked, Kangaroos should be everywhere
They're living conditions are almost identical to Camels
The Kangaroos can live without water for a long time, just like Camels
Kangaroos eat grass and live mostly on Savannas
There are savannas in Africa, why aren't there kangaroos there?

Look at the history of the African climate
African climate was much better than Australian climate in the Early ages

[GTX970]

If you look at the Pangaea
You'll see how far Australia is from Eurasia
Scientist did prove when the final major break up occurred
and I mean come on
There is almost 60 million year gap between the final breakup of the continents and the first appearance of man

Tell me, did the Quran mention any dinosaurs?

It's not possible for the Continents theory to work with Noah's theory
Even if it worked, Kangaroos should be everywhere
They're living conditions are almost identical to Camels
The Kangaroos can live without water for a long time, just like Camels
Kangaroos eat grass and live mostly on Savannas
There are savannas in Africa, why aren't there kangaroos there?

Look at the history of the African climate
African climate was much better than Australian climate in the Early ages

You got a point but still all what we are talking about are just theorys.

No quran didn't mention dinosaurs(as far as i remember).

Kangaroos shouldn't be everywhere
Kangaroos migrate to the place where they find it possible,Which probably Australia at their time
Kangaroos might be like Camels but they can't live in Camel's Climate
Simple Example: Lions,Tigers they are in Asia and Africa they found the sutibale place for them and they migrated to it at that time

[Symmetrical]

You got a point but still all what we are talking about are just theorys.

No quran didn't mention dinosaurs(as far as i remember).

Kangaroos shouldn't be everywhere
Kangaroos migrate to the place where they find it possible,Which probably Australia at their time
Kangaroos might be like Camels but they can't live in Camel's Climate
Simple Example: Lions,Tigers they are in Asia and Africa they found the sutibale place for them and they migrated to it at that time

You're the one talking about theories..
There are lots of proof to support my answer

Ok you said the Kangaroos migrated
Tell me why is Australia their main and only destination?
If Noah's story is true, Australia is so damn far ..
Did the Kangaroos knew about Australia all along?
and before Noah's story, there should be kangaroos everywhere and there must be proof that they were everywhere ..
Why didn't we find a single proof that they ever were?
No fossils, no history.. nothing

Quran didn't mention dinosaurs at all because there weren't any
Dinosaurs went extinct around 65 million years ago
The Final major break up of the continents was also around 65 million years ago
The first humans appeared 2.4 million years ago

This isn't a theory because there is scientific proof
Scientific proof that proves the story of Noah's ark is completely false

Do you agree?

[GTX970]

You're the one talking about theories..
There are lots of proof to support my answer

Ok you said the Kangaroos migrated
Tell me why is Australia their main and only destination?
If Noah's story is true, Australia is so damn far ..
Did the Kangaroos knew about Australia all along?
and before Noah's story, there should be kangaroos everywhere and there must be proof that they were everywhere ..
Why didn't we find a single proof that they ever were?
No fossils, no history.. nothing

Quran didn't mention dinosaurs at all because there weren't any
Dinosaurs went extinct around 65 million years ago
The Final major break up of the continents was also around 65 million years ago
The first humans appeared 2.4 million years ago

This isn't a theory because there is scientific proof
Scientific proof that proves the story of Noah's ark is completely false

Do you agree?

Maybe as the Kangaroos them selves why they went to Australia i Gave you earlier my point of view in this topic

Too many species can travel thousand of kilometers

Simply Kangaroos choosed where to live according to the cliimate and etc..

You got a point there should be an evedince that they existed before the flood
But about it that way, Kangaroos 100% evolved from a past Species,If Scientists found fossil or evedince for this certain Species then my Theory actually works

I agree in small parts and disagree with the rest.
the small part that i agree with you in Can be clarified in the future
Yet i find a Scientifc and reasonable answers for what i ask

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Maybe as the Kangaroos them selves why they went to Australia i Gave you earlier my point of view in this topic

You make no sense
Please elaborate

Too many species can travel thousand of kilometers

I never said they couldn't..
I said, when species travel, the spread and leave trails that they migrated ..
Kangaroos didn't leave a hint of trail when they supposedly "migrated" to Australia ..
That means they were never there in the first place and the whole story of Noah's ark didn't really happened.

Simply Kangaroos choosed where to live according to the cliimate and etc..

The climate (during that time) was pretty damn good for Kangaroos to live..
Kangaroos only need large fields of grass, some trees and a warm climate
All around the Middle East, the climate is suitable for Kangaroos to live.

You got a point there should be an evedince that they existed before the flood
But about it that way, Kangaroos 100% evolved from a past Species,If Scientists found fossil or evedince for this certain Species then my Theory actually works

Kangaroos existed for around 50 to 100 million years

So far, scientist didn't find a single fossil to prove your "theory"
Dinosaurs has been found
Small rat fossils were found
Why no Kangaroos?

You're believing in a big "IF" to support your theory

I have provided you with legitimate facts and evidence that proved the story of Noah's Ark is false
Do you still believe in it?
Even though proof is right in front of you that all of it is just a fairy tale?

[GTX970]

You make no sense
Please elaborate

You Said that why Kangaroos choosed Australia to live in
I told you to ask them

I never said they couldn't..
I said, when species travel, the spread and leave trails that they migrated ..
Kangaroos didn't leave a hint of trail when they supposedly "migrated" to Australia ..
That means they were never there in the first place and the whole story of Noah's ark didn't really happened.

Actually in 1984 Cairo times reported that Kangaroo Fossils were Found

The climate (during that time) was pretty damn good for Kangaroos to live..
Kangaroos only need large fields of grass, some trees and a warm climate
All around the Middle East, the climate is suitable for Kangaroos to live.

How did you know that the climate ( during that time ) was good for them
Not because Climate in Middle east (Now) is good for Kangaroos That in the past was good also

Kangaroos existed for around 50 to 100 million years

So far, scientist didn't find a single fossil to prove your "theory"
Dinosaurs has been found
Small rat fossils were found
Why no Kangaroos?

Answered it above

You're believing in a big "IF" to support your theory

I have provided you with legitimate facts and evidence that proved the story of Noah's Ark is false
Do you still believe in it?
Even though proof is right in front of you that all of it is just a fairy tale?

I am not supporting the theory,I am supporting what i believe in
if i found that this theory is wrong then i will consider rethinking in it no Shame from that