Paranoid...

So a while back I had some BTC and I exchanged it with some guy for PP. I was pretty skeptical so I made sure he sent it as "Friends and Family" and that he left a note saying that he would not charge back blah blah (its what MM's use).

Anyways, the next day the scumbag filed a claim saying the payment was unauthorized. I provided a shit ton of evidence including screenshots about the case but PP decided to close the case and gave him his money back.

So now I'm paranoid as fuck when it comes down to PP payments. I haven't accepted a PP payment in months because of this...

What do you guys think about this?

/Discuss

Weird that you lost the case. Mail them and perhaps even call them. Get your money back.

You lost the case because you probably started to freak out and they might have thought that you were just hyped because he actually "caught" you. That's at least what I think.

Originally Posted by user590177

You lost the case because you probably started to freak out and they might have thought that you were just hyped because he actually "caught" you. That's at least what I think.

I agree with him

I hate paypal. They had my clothing company's paypal shut down. I did all the steps for a business paypal, and mutliple other things I was supposed to do and then they came up with some random bull shit and locked the account.
Calling paypal isn't going to get anything done, and neither is mailing them. They do. not. give. a. fuck. I promise you.
It looks like you'll just have to take the loss on this one.

If he paid as "Friends & Family" he shouldn't have won the case. You should've just copy pasted paypal's terms and conditions where it clearly states "No buyer protection on payments sent to friends or family."

If it was an unauthorized transaction he probably sent you the money with a stolen CC card. Sadly enough the seller is always responsible in cases like these... Paypal definitely shows a clear lack of protection here...

Originally Posted by user590177

You lost the case because you probably started to freak out and they might have thought that you were just hyped because he actually "caught" you. That's at least what I think.

What do you mean?

you probably started to freak out and they might have thought that you were just hyped because he actually "caught" you.

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Originally Posted by No0bzDown

This dude seems like he was read, he knew what to do. If I was in your shoes, I would find another way to get my BTC to actually paypal or real money. I would never go to someone that is trading currency, of course he has played with those chargeback things again. I personally believe your mistake was choosing someone that had better knowledge than you did. How about changing your currency in a way with someone that doesnt even know what a chargeback is? You just got outsmarted there.
So, regarding your question, I think I answered it already IMO, you shouldnt be paranoid, you should just be making sure in your own ways that the guy you are trading with doesnt have more knowledge than you do.

My downfall was the fact that I didn't check his profile enough. I needed the money so I did it quick

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Originally Posted by Lilly

If he paid as "Friends & Family" he shouldn't have won the case. You should've just copy pasted paypal's terms and conditions where it clearly states "No buyer protection on payments sent to friends or family."

If it was an unauthorized transaction he probably sent you the money with a stolen CC card. Sadly enough the seller is always responsible in cases like these... Paypal definitely shows a clear lack of protection here...

He used the old "switch your IP trick"

Can't believe PayPal falls for that shit

Originally Posted by Predator

What do you mean?

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My downfall was the fact that I didn't check his profile enough. I needed the money so I did it quick

You know when you don't state your evidence while keeping a quiet and calm attitude, you rather just freak out and start to dump all the photos and messages directly and being like "omg no he scammed me omg I can prove it please don't let him win this one please I can prove that I am the one who's being scammed" etc

Originally Posted by user590177

You know when you don't state your evidence while keeping a quiet and calm attitude, you rather just freak out and start to dump all the photos and messages directly and being like "omg no he scammed me omg I can prove it please don't let him win this one please I can prove that I am the one who's being scammed" etc

This is what I wrote to them

Regarding the transaction, I requested that the user
understood the terms. The entire transaction was done
over Skype and the user agreed to the terms. Based on
this, the item was a "virtual item" therefore it required no
shipment, which I why I received the funds immediately.

On top of that, once the transaction was completed the
user confirmed that they received it and left positive
feedback on the process.

If by any case the seller decides to manipulate the PayPal
charge back system, I suggest that PayPal should consider
that as a plausible cause. Upon further investigation of the
user, his IP address associated with the Skype he used
was linked to multiple users over the internet which have all
scammed users by manipulating the PayPal charge back
system. More than likely, the user changed his IP address
and location and proceeded to change his details. This
causes the illusion that his account was breached and
essentially "hacked". I highly suggest that you look
carefully at the logs and see if this was the case.

To summarize, the user agreed to not chargeback and that
the item was a virtual item, in which tracking is not needed
and I fully delivered.

I can provide further proof on the case by attaching the
Skype conversation that took place.

[Removed Screenshots: I had almost 10 of them all neatly laid out in a Imgur album]

Based on the screenshots provided, the entire transaction
took place yesterday at exactly 2:13 - 2:15 PST. That along
with the note he provided is enough information to link that
Skype user to the person we are currently dealing with.

All in all, I implore that PayPal check the logs and to see if
the user has a history of disputing. The user has been
known to have multiple fake identities and has been
scamming users for a very long time now. Nevertheless, I
would more than happy to provide PayPal with any further
information if needed.

He used the old "switch your IP trick"

Can't believe PayPal falls for that shit

I know, its really sad... @Predator

This is why I don't use paypal anymore.

Paypal is fucking horrible for small business owners / sellers.

This dude seems like he was read, he knew what to do. If I was in your shoes, I would find another way to get my BTC to actually paypal or real money. I would never go to someone that is trading currency, of course he has played with those chargeback things again. I personally believe your mistake was choosing someone that had better knowledge than you did. How about changing your currency in a way with someone that doesnt even know what a chargeback is? You just got outsmarted there.
So, regarding your question, I think I answered it already IMO, you shouldnt be paranoid, you should just be making sure in your own ways that the guy you are trading with doesnt have more knowledge than you do.

if u open a case with paypal and its about virtual stuff and the guy tries to scam you
the best way to do it is lie against paypal say its a item that had to be shipped and that u never recieved it
always worked for me on people that did those kind of chargebacks on me

Paranoid...

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