KYLE NOT GUILTY
What did i fucking tell u @Dave84311 boy was gonna walk and he did!!
Right or left that was self defense! god bless his family
Right or left that was self defense! god bless his family
KYLE NOT GUILTY
Hell yeah motherfucker!
what happend
Unsurprising. Though I will say I'm surprised the jury took a couple of days to reach a verdict. For a moment, I thought they were actually going to come back with a guilty verdict since it seemed pretty case closed after all the testimony and evidence. My friends asked me for my thoughts earlier so I'll just copy and paste here:
One of my friends made this argument and I'm sharing it and my counterpoint since I know a lot of people might hold and make the same argument:
Note that Wisconsin is an open carry state where you can open carry long guns. I live in a non-open carry state so yes its easier to assume someone randomly running around with a long gun is super weird and they must be a shooter, but in an open carry state, that's just a normal day. Not to mention that even if you do put yourself in a dangerous situation (like a dumbass), you don't lose the right to defend yourself.
Also, I think the idea of picking up arms and putting my life on the line to defend some stranger's property is just plain stupid. In this case, there seemed to be a lot of idiots being irresponsible with guns from Joshua Ziminski firing a random shot into the air for no fucking reason or with Kyle Rittenhouse having FMJ rounds in his AR and not even knowing what the difference is between FMJ and HP rounds. Glad I'm not surrounded by these LARPing idiots.
NGL, I would have voted not guilty too. I only saw Kyle's testimony/cross-examination though and the prosecution made me cringe. Some solid points, but also a lot of grasping for straws. Seems like a case of self defense to me. If you try to make verbal threats, lunge at someone, try to take their gun, and get shot, you dun played yourself. But the subsequent shootings, you can argue that those who chased and attacked him thought he was an active shooter and they were just trying to stop him. Personally I wouldn't try to take on an active shooter with a skateboard, but to each their own. And then there was Grosskreutz who approached him with a handgun and then said in court that Kyle didn't shoot him until he himself pointed his gun at Kyle. It was basically case closed at that point. If he approached Kyle with his gun in hand but hands were always raised and was shot anyways, would be a different case. The last two dudes who got shot did nothing wrong because you can argue that it is morally right to attack someone who you believe is actively shooting people, but rip them.
They dismissed the "Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18" charge on a technicality, but I definitely think he should definitely lose his right to own/carry a gun until he takes like a bunch of firearms courses and what not. Mans didn't even know what the difference was between hollow point and FMJ bullets and the fact that he was blasting around FMJ rounds I feel is arguably endangering the public.
They dismissed the "Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18" charge on a technicality, but I definitely think he should definitely lose his right to own/carry a gun until he takes like a bunch of firearms courses and what not. Mans didn't even know what the difference was between hollow point and FMJ bullets and the fact that he was blasting around FMJ rounds I feel is arguably endangering the public.
"If u go somewhere and put yourself into a situation to defend yourself then idk if I would call that self defense
He went to a highly tense situation openly walking around with a gun
U don't think people would see that as a threat?"
He went to a highly tense situation openly walking around with a gun
U don't think people would see that as a threat?"
Also, I think the idea of picking up arms and putting my life on the line to defend some stranger's property is just plain stupid. In this case, there seemed to be a lot of idiots being irresponsible with guns from Joshua Ziminski firing a random shot into the air for no fucking reason or with Kyle Rittenhouse having FMJ rounds in his AR and not even knowing what the difference is between FMJ and HP rounds. Glad I'm not surrounded by these LARPing idiots.
Originally Posted by Bernard
Unsurprising. Though I will say I'm surprised the jury took a couple of days to reach a verdict. For a moment, I thought they were actually going to come back with a guilty verdict since it seemed pretty case closed after all the testimony and evidence. My friends asked me for my thoughts earlier so I'll just copy and paste here:
One of my friends made this argument and I'm sharing it and my counterpoint since I know a lot of people might hold and make the same argument:
Note that Wisconsin is an open carry state where you can open carry long guns. I live in a non-open carry state so yes its easier to assume someone randomly running around with a long gun is super weird and they must be a shooter, but in an open carry state, that's just a normal day. Not to mention that even if you do put yourself in a dangerous situation (like a dumbass), you don't lose the right to defend yourself.
Also, I think the idea of picking up arms and putting my life on the line to defend some stranger's property is just plain stupid. In this case, there seemed to be a lot of idiots being irresponsible with guns from Joshua Ziminski firing a random shot into the air for no fucking reason or with Kyle Rittenhouse having FMJ rounds in his AR and not even knowing what the difference is between FMJ and HP rounds. Glad I'm not surrounded by these LARPing idiots.
One of my friends made this argument and I'm sharing it and my counterpoint since I know a lot of people might hold and make the same argument:
Note that Wisconsin is an open carry state where you can open carry long guns. I live in a non-open carry state so yes its easier to assume someone randomly running around with a long gun is super weird and they must be a shooter, but in an open carry state, that's just a normal day. Not to mention that even if you do put yourself in a dangerous situation (like a dumbass), you don't lose the right to defend yourself.
Also, I think the idea of picking up arms and putting my life on the line to defend some stranger's property is just plain stupid. In this case, there seemed to be a lot of idiots being irresponsible with guns from Joshua Ziminski firing a random shot into the air for no fucking reason or with Kyle Rittenhouse having FMJ rounds in his AR and not even knowing what the difference is between FMJ and HP rounds. Glad I'm not surrounded by these LARPing idiots.
Originally Posted by SH0N3
what happend
Originally Posted by Bernard
Also, I think the idea of picking up arms and putting my life on the line to defend some stranger's property is just plain stupid.
This is quite the precedent that's been set in kenosha.
Originally Posted by Dab
Maybe... or maybe I just really really care about protecting businesses from potential damage and have came to the conclusion after witnessing Kyle's "heroic" behavior as expressed by right wing media, that I too should attend protests with the aim to protect businesses and my community. Considering majority of the domestic terrorism in this country is white, right winged, Christians, I personally feel an obligation to go to any and all right winged protests, rallies, in my state with my AR which I unlike Kyle legally own and can legally possess, in order to protect the people of my community from those potential domestic terrorists.
This is quite the precedent that's been set in kenosha.
This is quite the precedent that's been set in kenosha.
Also, when it comes to the domestic terrorism argument... Really hard to determine the real numbers when it's a state by state reporting process and they have different definitions of "domestic terrorism" or do not charge under "domestic terrorism".
To prove this, let's look at the Seattle Washington's(NEARLY THE SAME RIOTING/PROTESTING ENVIRONMENTS YOU SEE IN PORTLAND) domestic terrorist count in 2020 per 100K people: 1. 1 domestic terrorist case per 100K in 2020.
How many did Portland Oregon have per 100k people? 78. 78 domestic terrorist cases per 100K in 2020 with nearly the same environment as Washington.
Again, at surface level these "facts" look legit... But when delving deeper Kyle was 100% within his legal right against all charges and you cannot currently get an accurate domestic terrorism stats when states have different laws, definitions, and bias.
Originally Posted by Ben
I know you're super left and will take any chance you can to demonize the opposing party, but I'd really try to look into the facts of the case about Kyle's gun & the "majority of the domestic terrorism". While just barely scratching the surface, yes your claims do seem valid... But if you look more into it, Kyle's gun charges were dropped because the DA, judge, and defense all agreed he could legally process a firearm in the state of Wisconsin that night and it was not brought over state lines.
Also, when it comes to the domestic terrorism argument... Really hard to determine the real numbers when it's a state by state reporting process and they have different definitions of "domestic terrorism" or do not charge under "domestic terrorism".
To prove this, let's look at the Seattle Washington's(NEARLY THE SAME RIOTING/PROTESTING ENVIRONMENTS YOU SEE IN PORTLAND) domestic terrorist count in 2020 per 100K people: 1. 1 domestic terrorist case per 100K in 2020.
How many did Portland Oregon have per 100k people? 78. 78 domestic terrorist cases per 100K in 2020 with nearly the same environment as Washington.
Again, at surface level these "facts" look legit... But when delving deeper Kyle was 100% within his legal right against all charges and you cannot currently get an accurate domestic terrorism stats when states have different laws, definitions, and bias.
https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/...ology.pdf/view
Here's the whitehouse's take on it
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...tic-terrorism/
Here's the FBI chief pointing out the threat
https://apnews.com/article/fbi-chris...5c4923907eeb67
Here's more law enforcement pointing it out
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/u...remacists.html
Here's a study looking and compiling domestic terrorism
https://www.csis.org/analysis/milita...-united-states
Whatever misconceptions you have, are likely solved within any of the links here. Outside of me providing you with the information you need to safely conclude yes in fact majority of terrorism is domestic and is committed by right wingers. It's not a red herring it's a genuine threat to the country. You can conflate protestors with rioters all you want at the end of the day if you're going to operate on the assumed premise that majority of US terrorism isn't committed by white, right winged, males then you're factually wrong according to all the data we have.
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Originally Posted by Ben
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I know you're super left and will take any chance you can to demonize the opposing party, but I'd really try to look into the facts of the case about Kyle's gun & the "majority of the domestic terrorism". While just barely scratching the surface, yes your claims do seem valid... But if you look more into it, Kyle's gun charges were dropped because the DA, judge, and defense all agreed he could legally process a firearm in the state of Wisconsin that night and it was not brought over state lines.
I know you're super left and will take any chance you can to demonize the opposing party, but I'd really try to look into the facts of the case about Kyle's gun & the "majority of the domestic terrorism". While just barely scratching the surface, yes your claims do seem valid... But if you look more into it, Kyle's gun charges were dropped because the DA, judge, and defense all agreed he could legally process a firearm in the state of Wisconsin that night and it was not brought over state lines.
tbh it sounded like self defense from what i read on twitter
*i know twitter is a shitty source*
*i know twitter is a shitty source*
Right wingers glorify death.
Originally Posted by arunforce
tbh it sounded like self defense from what i read on twitter
*i know twitter is a shitty source*
*i know twitter is a shitty source*
yeah it was clear self defense
the law was clearly followed, and the correct conclusion was made
prosecution definitely helped kyle instead of harm, lol... all their witnesses made the states case look really bad imo
the law was clearly followed, and the correct conclusion was made
prosecution definitely helped kyle instead of harm, lol... all their witnesses made the states case look really bad imo
I didn't follow this until today but yeah I agree. Right decision was made. People need to think clearly.
I also want to do what he did so I can also say self defense
