Love, but you cannot seriously love a 7 year old child. Neither is the child mature enough to even comprehend concepts such as real love, devotion or even marriage, but it's just not "normal" to be sexually attracted to him/her. And regarding the 20 year difference ... at what age did they marry? I seriously doubt it was 7 & 27.
knowing he's middle eastern his mom was probably 22 and his dad 42.
Originally Posted by Alen
Love, but you cannot seriously love a 7 year old child. Neither is the child mature enough to even comprehend concepts such as real love, devotion or even marriage, but it's just not "normal" to be sexually attracted to him/her. And regarding the 20 year difference ... at what age did they marry? I seriously doubt it was 7 & 27.
People back then didn't survive to long like now. Now you can get very old.
Now you see girls playing with dolls till 16. You didn't had dolls back then and people were reaching puberty pretty fast. Helping the parents with harvest and such. Or even go to battles.
And the parents and the girl itself agreed to marry with the prophet.
So whatever you have to say, the law, your opinion about it, i don't care as long as the parents agree and the child itself agrees then there is nothing wrong with it.
Hundreds of people where there at the marriage of the prophet and no one has judged it and no one has disagreed, none of them.
So who are you to judge this 1400 years later?
Originally Posted by Alen
Love, but you cannot seriously love a 7 year old child. Neither is the child mature enough to even comprehend concepts such as real love, devotion or even marriage, but it's just not "normal" to be sexually attracted to him/her. And regarding the 20 year difference ... at what age did they marry? I seriously doubt it was 7 & 27.
listen, at the beggining it wasn't love, in the tribes in the time of prophet mohammed pbuh, the tribes married, but not like marriage now. marriage now = sex = love.
Marriage then = couple = leave no women un married. but love grew on them.
@Decipher
And im african not middle eastern
@Lies: Well, time doesn't mean an act was ok. "who are you to judge something in the past" Well i'm me, and i can do that because its relative to the thread.
Marrying people and not being in love, is THAT what you are saying muhammed was ok with? I mean why marry them then? Surely you aren't suggesting muhammed just had concubines.
Also, marrying 10+ women, THATS ok? Really, what does that set the bar for?
-HEY GUYS ITS OK TO MARRY 10 WOMEN(women can't marry 10 men tho), and its makes you a good guy right?! It wouldn't just be using women, because he totally had to marry them. He couldn't just support them, that would be totally against the law, and a bad thing.
Muhammed married 10+ women, had a 40-50 year difference on one(with a young girl*not woman*), and you guys still have flawed equal rights that you can just see from just looking at your women.
Islam is horrible for women, and its no wonder the majority of pictures with muslims are full of just men. They keep the women at home in the kitchen probably.
Originally Posted by Empire
@Lies: Well, time doesn't mean an act was ok. "who are you to judge something in the past" Well i'm me, and i can do that because its relative to the thread.
Marrying people and not being in love, is THAT what you are saying muhammed was ok with? I mean why marry them then? Surely you aren't suggesting muhammed just had concubines.
Also, marrying 10+ women, THATS ok? Really, what does that set the bar for?
-HEY GUYS ITS OK TO MARRY 10 WOMEN(women can't marry 10 men tho), and its makes you a good guy right?! It wouldn't just be using women, because he totally had to marry them. He couldn't just support them, that would be totally against the law, and a bad thing.
Muhammed married 10+ women, had a 40-50 year difference on one(with a young girl*not woman*), and you guys still have flawed equal rights that you can just see from just looking at your women.
Islam is horrible for women, and its no wonder the majority of pictures with muslims are full of just men. They keep the women at home in the kitchen probably.
Hate the burst your bubbles, but Europeans does this crap all the time back then as well. Girls tend to be marriage off whenever the husband and groom agreed and often the groom agreed to only 'bed' the girl once she reach an age which is often 11-14 years of age.
Originally Posted by Mouzie
Hate the burst your bubbles, but Europeans does this crap all the time back then as well. Girls tend to be marriage off whenever the husband and groom agreed and often the groom agreed to only 'bed' the girl once she reach an age which is often 11-14 years of age.
And your point is? That it was ok as long as everyone else was it at the time? This argument has nothing to do with Europeans, or Middle Easterners, this is just for the sake of Islam itself.
We aren't talking about just anyone though, we are talking about the figurehead for Islam. The guy that represents Islam itself(since he founded it).
Originally Posted by Empire
And your point is? That it was ok as long as everyone else was it at the time? This argument has nothing to do with Europeans, or Middle Easterners, this is just for the sake of Islam itself.
We aren't talking about just anyone though, we are talking about the figurehead for Islam. The guy that represents Islam itself(since he founded it).
No, it is part of the social norm, you need to understand that back then it was a normal thing to do. Am I saying that it is okay for children to get married and shit. No, I am saying that it is a norm back then, much like you had the norm of slavery in America.. do you hate slavery, maybe.. I don't know you, but none the less it was the norm.
I'm not defending this guy or anything, I am hoping I gave you a little more clear picture.
Originally Posted by Mouzie
No, it is part of the social norm, you need to understand that back then it was a normal thing to do. Am I saying that it is okay for children to get married and shit. No, I am saying that it is a norm back then, much like you had the norm of slavery in America.. do you hate slavery, maybe.. I don't know you, but none the less it was the norm.
I'm not defending this guy or anything, I am hoping I gave you a little more clear picture.
exactly what I was saying and Empire kept ignoring it
Originally Posted by Empire
@Lies: Well, time doesn't mean an act was ok. "who are you to judge something in the past" Well i'm me, and i can do that because its relative to the thread.
Marrying people and not being in love, is THAT what you are saying muhammed was ok with? I mean why marry them then? Surely you aren't suggesting muhammed just had concubines.
Also, marrying 10+ women, THATS ok? Really, what does that set the bar for?
-HEY GUYS ITS OK TO MARRY 10 WOMEN(women can't marry 10 men tho), and its makes you a good guy right?! It wouldn't just be using women, because he totally had to marry them. He couldn't just support them, that would be totally against the law, and a bad thing.
Muhammed married 10+ women, had a 40-50 year difference on one(with a young girl*not woman*), and you guys still have flawed equal rights that you can just see from just looking at your women.
Islam is horrible for women, and its no wonder the majority of pictures with muslims are full of just men. They keep the women at home in the kitchen probably.
Time and situation matters. You just do whatever you want to do, i don't give a fuck.
What i mean by "who are you to judge this 1400 years later" is, why are you judging this bad while there were hundreds of people who haven't judged this wrongly and while none of them disagreed.
Do you think this people are stupid? And this wasn't just a normal guy like we are. This is a prophet who had a great character.
And does the bible tells you that this is bad? Probably not.
You aren't even a woman, you don't even follow the Islam and you say Islam is horrible for women.
So tell me, why Islam is one of the biggest religions?
You have found something that is bad in your opinion and you continue to use that against us.
Whats your goal Empire? To make us look like fools? To make the prophet look like a fool? To make the Islam look like a failure?
fuck all of u there will be only 1 religion in heaven THE RELIGION OF GOD
Originally Posted by reter212
fuck all of u there will be only 1 religion in heaven THE RELIGION OF GOD
Oh really? Gee, the religion of satan was my second choice.
Oh i know it was the norm. The point is that it shouldn't matter, especially for this case.
Originally Posted by Empire
Oh i know it was the norm. The point is that it shouldn't matter, especially for this case.
What do you mean? I gave you a valid point for the Mohammad guy, I explained to you why that happen and explain to you why Muslims are accepted to it.
Originally Posted by Empire
Oh i know it was the norm. The point is that it shouldn't matter, especially for this case.
Ok, ive done my research:
In the time of prophet mohammed PBUH, he grew up in a tribe which married kids, at a young age, married adults with kid and kids with adults, but the thing is, they didnt get married for sex or love. they got married to keep up the ratio of the tribe.
every man and women had to pair up, now the 21st century, with all this pornography ect, the human mind has changed and adapted to connected sex with everything...I MEAN EVERyTHING.
1400years back, marriage was Just a tribe thing, a man, is married to a women, no matter what age, no matter what looks, no matter what physical appearance.
Originally Posted by Alen
