Yo Christians

Originally Posted by Cole

ya makes sense to me most of the values we follow are because of the consequences, we do most of our actions based on a preventative nature not a progressive one
though i think your agreeing not disagreeing

Agreeing with? Nietzsche? Hell yeah...?

@Ed i agree with you what has god ever done for any of us... He lets us go to war and kill people. kinda fked up

Originally Posted by Love Story

@Ed i agree with you what has god ever done for any of us... He lets us go to war and kill people. kinda fked up

We let ourselves go to war.

Originally Posted by Ethereal

We let ourselves go to war.

Him being all powerful and all ... he could have stopped it. But he didn't. He let us massacre each other, knowing what would happen

Originally Posted by Alen

Him being all powerful and all ... he could have stopped it. But he didn't. He let us massacre each other, knowing what would happen

Again if you go back to OP he's asking questions why, to Christians.
According to the Bible God gives people free will.
If there is a God, then I would imagine he would give his creations free will,
otherwise we are nothing but pawns that he could move around on a chess board called earth,
and that would become redundant after a while. Blaming God for not stopping wars is retarded.
All of the years humans have lived with each other we still haven't learned to peacefully coexist.
That has nothing to do with God.

Not everyone has a mind capable of comprehending life without a higher being. The 95%(ish) that can't resort to religion...

Originally Posted by Ethereal

Again if you go back to OP he's asking questions why, to Christians.
According to the Bible God gives people free will.
If there is a God, then I would imagine he would give his creations free will,
otherwise we are nothing but pawns that he could move around on a chess board called earth,
and that would become redundant after a while. Blaming God for not stopping wars is retarded.
All of the years humans have lived with each other we still haven't learned to peacefully coexist.
That has nothing to do with God.

Well why did God give us a nature that leads us to contradict the very commandments he passed on to us?

Originally Posted by Nismo

Not everyone has a mind capable of comprehending life without a higher being. The 95%(ish) that can't resort to religion...

Derp.

Originally Posted by Alen

Well why did God give us a nature that leads us to contradict the very commandments he passed on to us?

Hell if I know Alen, there are plenty of things that confuse me about the Bible..
but if I were to take an educated guess, it would be so that people learn from their mistakes.
Sure he would have all the answers, but so does your math teacher. You wouldn't learn much if the answers were just handed to you.
Either way, I'm on the fence with the whole divine creator thing anyway.
All I have to go by on this subject is whats provided in the Bible.
It was actually Satan who introduced the Sin nature by tempting Eve,
But God created him and as an all knowing all powerful being he would know that one of his angels would betray him before it happened..so why he created Satan in the first place is very perplexing..

Originally Posted by Ethereal

Hell if I know Alen, there are plenty of things that confuse me about the Bible..
but if I were to take an educated guess, it would be so that people learn from their mistakes.
Sure he would have all the answers, but so does your math teacher. You wouldn't learn much if the answers were just handed to you.
Either way, I'm on the fence with the whole divine creator thing anyway.All I have to go by on this subject is whats provided in the Bible.

If he wanted us to learn, why forbid learning in the first place? His plan was to keep us ignorant forever (the whole Adam & Eve stuff, however you interpret it).

Originally Posted by Alen

If he wanted us to learn, why forbid learning in the first place? His plan was to keep us ignorant forever (the whole Adam & Eve stuff, however you interpret it).

Maybe dude I couldn't tell you.
What I never understood, is that there are chapters in the Bible where God shows anger at his people.
Well if he knew it was gonna happen already, then why would he get mad?
It's just one of the many inconsistencies in the book that made me step away.
Not only that, but the 3 major religions just tend to borrow off of their ancient predecessors a bit too much for me to find them credible.

Originally Posted by Alen

Derp.

herpderp

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I am just going to put this in the most simple point.

Originally Posted by RATM

Here is somethign you cant understand a word can just kill a man

(more or less its how could i kill a man but the song sounds like word :|)

ratm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR6GqcPd60U

This is a question we all struggle with.
Many, instead of asking why God lets bad stuff
happen, ask why he permits suffering and evil.
The argument that God does not exist because
bad stuff (evil) happens is an old one—and it’s
just as flawed today as it ever has been. If bad
stuff only ever happened to humans and never
to God, then we might have some reason to
question God and if he really exists.
But the truth is that God, in the person of
Jesus, came to our world and personally experienced
lots of “bad stuff.” Even though Jesus
never did anything to hurt anyone, he was
betrayed, misunderstood, hated and finally
killed. He came to tell us that bad stuff won’t
last forever. Even though bad stuff is still happening,
it won’t be long before it’s all history.
That’s why the ultimate meaning in life is
found in him—his life, his death and his resurrection.

because I can kill someone, god does not exist.

Logic infallible.

God chooses not to intervene. We, as humans, create wars, violence, and other evils. Why should God have to amend them, when it is our creation? God allows evil to exist so that he can decide who goes to heaven and who goes to hell, to differ the good from the bad.

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