C# or C++?

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C# or C++?

Well i'm really looking into reverse engeneering and hacks development, i really would like to know wich one is better for game-hacking? Also i'd like to know how does it work, i mean, getting your cheat undetectable?

I know this info has been discussed alot but still wanted to ask before spending my time and then been disappointed.

EDIT: Also a good eBook to learn C# or C++

everything (all the game info: character's health, position, ammo, etc) is stored in ram.
Both languages can access ram, so both work. C++ is designed to let the programmer have easy access to ram. Something like..
*(0x12345678) = (DWORD) 100 ; would write 100 (as DWORD : learn data size.) to the addr 0x12345678.

This format only works if you're running the code form INSIDE the process (ie. injection)
The other option is the windows API WriteProcessMemory(), which any 'process' can call and write to another process's ram.

There are several ways cheats "get detected"
Search for known process by Title (ie. "CheatEngine" etc) - not very common (too easy to bypass I guess?)

Some hacks 'modify' the game's code! Like nopping and what-not. Some games (because of their programmer..) check their own source code to make sure it hasn't been modified! That's another way to get caught.
If you allocate a codecave in their process -- if they know the bytes of your program (cuz it's so popular), they can scan for the codecave.

Easiest way to get detected is by getting popular - once users start using the cheat and people complain, the game company has a reason to find your cheat and analyze it.
If you use code-caves / modify the process (or it's ram) in any way, maybe there is a way for them to catch you.

There are a few others, all depends on what you're doing exactly. 'hack' could mean a lot of things.

Learn both

Really the only difference is syntax, or a couple language features (only inherit from one base, interfaces, etc). Most of the other things like conditional statements / loops / core data types are very similar.

Personally I love the .net framework and C# (actually vb). It will more than likely do what you need. However, most people will argue it's easier to do in C++, but it forces you to learn the low-end details (mostly memory related) earlier on. So, up to you.

"EDIT: Also a good eBook to learn C# or C++" -- there are a few sticky threads in each programming section: I've seen a few collections of programming books for download, maybe one of them is good? Maybe "Ivor Horton's Beginning Visual C++ 2005 (2006)" (Unless you want to use a different compiler/IDE? Games might be on linux soon..

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Originally Posted by abuckau907

Thanks for your answer, i will just start of with c++ i guess, then when i get decent i guess, i'll check c#, any eBooks suggestions?

Really won't matter, hopefully they'll all teach you the language basics. Most likely none of them will teach you about "processes" and "game hacking." Once you understand a little code, then learn about 'game hacking' which is actually very 'windows' specific, so it's basically just learning about how Windows was coded, and how to ask it to do things like modify memory for you.

^^To name a few subjects. Those are from a vb book, but each language should have pretty similar subjects.

You should feel comfortable with all the data types (byte,short,int, signed/unsigned etc)
Classes (creating objects: huge concept!), functions, variable scope, pointers, and a few other things.
Most of it won't make sense in context to the book (who cares about a 'dice' or 'dog' class), but doing it will force you to think of things in the same way the compiler (and computer) think. The 'object oriented' stuff will make sense once you start actually writing (and re-using!) your own code.

Snippet

Code:

Dim allRunningProcs() as Process = Process.GetProcesses()

For Each tempProc as Process In allRunningProcs
MessageBox.Show(tempProc.ID) '// aka the process ID
Next
..
'// I assume if you actually read the code, you will *probably*
'// understand what it does (which isn't much).

4 lines of code in .net (this i vb, c# is 99% the same). It's a lot more in C++. But in the end you'll have more 'power' when hacking and whatnot. - Most of the Microsoft (ie. Windows) examples are in C++ (msdn dotcom)

edit: don't hit "reply with quote" please, there's no need: it takes up space. Reply with "@abuckau907" maybe.

-probably find a book written after...2004-2005? If it's your first language, anything will help. If you end up not liking it, you can always choose another book + you'll have a little knowledge from the first book.
'Hacking' = analyzing some software, and changing it (weather that's code or just data..doesn't matter). That's it.