Originally Posted by
TonySK
My point is that you are strictly focusing on Mexican immigrants when there are people from around the world who are entering as well.
I'm not strictly focusing on Mexican illegals. I've said repeatedly that all illegals are a problem as well as legal immigration. We need to take a break to assimilate and take care of the people that are already here.
Originally Posted by
Confluency
It's ironic because although there aren't any perfect solutions, a wall most certainly is not close to being the best one.
It's one good, practical solution that works. That's the important thing. But hey, if you've got a better way to stop half a million/year illegals, do tell.
Cool, they drive down wages for low skilled jobs. Getting rid of illegals won't increase wages. For example you can simply look at Alabama and how they've pretty much gotten rid of the majority of illegals and now they can't find people to work the cheap paying dirty jobs.
Wages are matter of supply and demand. Lot's of workers = lot's of supply of labor = low wages. Limited supply of labor and wages have to increase to attract the labor.
The wages are low because minimum wage is low.
Um, no. Minimum wages are artificially government imposed wages that don't allow the market to set the proper level of wages.
Even if the wages did increase, the goods they produce would also increase and it would counteract itself.
Demand for the product of the wages will indeed naturally find the proper balance. Don't want to pay $3.00 for a lb. of tomatoes, demand goes down, producers lower production or find another way to cut costs through mechanization rather than pay for more expensive human labor.
So you're simply wrong,low wages mean cheaper goods allowing the average American to purchase low priced items.
See the above, plus of course that higher wages mean that people have more money in their pocket to spend for higher priced goods.
That missing 10% would most certainly destroy the economy of Mexico.
I guess I care more about Americans then worry about how Mexico will struggle with 10% less money that was taken from potential American pockets.
And what's even worse is we'd be using that 10% to build a wall that won't work. If illegals want to enter a country, they will find a way.
Yeah, we get it. Walls don't work. Shoelaces don't work. Hoses don't work. Nothing works perfect. Nirvana fallacy.
Of the 51 fortified boundaries built between countries since the end of World War II, around half were constructed between 2000 and 2014.
Why? Because walls do work.
http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...mexico/483156/
Oh, and ironically, Mexico is building a 'wall'... on its southern border (to keep illegal immigrants out). Perhaps even more ironic, The US is sending $75m in equipment and training to help stop Central Americans from crossing illegally into Mexico.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...ss-who-paid-it
Uh, me no tinks u understand trade relatons between the U.S and Mexico. The US is at a trade deficit with Mexico at about 50B. If the U.S were to increase Tariffs then Mexico would quite literally do the same thing.
Cool. Let's see how well they do with higher priced US made shit vs how well we do with higher priced Mexican made shit. If they don't want a trade war, then they can just kick in and help with our wall like we helped with their wall.
Yeah, let's fucking cut foreign aid to one if our biggest trading partners. As said before, an action will always have a reaction. And when your action is cutting foreign aid to one of your biggest trade partners you can most certainly expect a surprise in return.
LOL, so we should be bribing them with aid so that they will trade with us? I'm guessing they will trade whether we bribe them or not.
Perfect for all buisness, illegals take the jobs americans statistically refuse to take and in return the goods are cheaper and that " wage earner" can buy low.
Supply and demand of labor sets wages as explained above. No willing labor, and wages rise. Rising wages means more income for workers to buy stuff.
TL;DR If your answer is to economically punish your biggest trade partner to pay for a wall that will not even remotely solve the problem it's being built for, it's not going to work out very well.
Walls work and they work well. Not perfect but very well. I've put to rest now all the excuses from the OP why a wall won't work. Most of the discussion here has be back and forth about economics. There are plenty of options on funding the wall. That is really a non-issue.
Several European countries have erected fences to keep migrants out, and, according to the numbers, every case appears to have a large impact.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...art-has-answer