How safe is it to trade and do services on here like refunding or seing that are more or less blackhat considering this site keeps logs of conversations.
Will our data be turned over ever if there is an investigation.
I am just asking questions related to security becuase i plan on luanching a service and was hoping other vendors could chat in and give me advice
If it does not break any of the MPGH Rules on the site you are fine.
Originally Posted by TheReal80HD
If it does not break any of the MPGH Rules on the site you are fine.
ok but what if the police want to investigate for wire or mail fraud (se or refund) or false impersonation ( stealth accounts) false identification (documents for paypals) or hacking/unathorized use (buying accounts and using them) fradulant use of gift cards ( buying gift cards on here for sellers that are so cheap they were either cracked or carded.)
More or less it seems all of this stuff is illegal there was a guy on reddit that got charged with a felony for selling starbucks gift cards that he bought from bitify.
The only reason i ask this question is becuase we are only allowed to trade or communicate with im or pm. are these services encyrpted? are they secure? are there logs? will mpgh turn them over to the authorites if for example google or microsoft wanted to prosecute a member on here or wanted info on them?
Originally Posted by chasingsnow
ok but what if the police want to investigate for wire or mail fraud (se or refund) or false impersonation ( stealth accounts) false identification (documents for paypals) or hacking/unathorized use (buying accounts and using them) fradulant use of gift cards ( buying gift cards on here for sellers that are so cheap they were either cracked or carded.)
More or less it seems all of this stuff is illegal there was a guy on reddit that got charged with a felony for selling starbucks gift cards that he bought from bitify.
The only reason i ask this question is becuase we are only allowed to trade or communicate with im or pm. are these services encyrpted? are they secure? are there logs? will mpgh turn them over to the authorites if for example google or microsoft wanted to prosecute a member on here or wanted info on them?
Add me please got some questions.
MPGH does not allow black hat, at least I don't think think so. @Danny ya know?
Originally Posted by Majestic
MPGH does not allow black hat, at least I don't think think so. @Danny ya know?
so refund and se services are banned then? that can be charged as mail or wire fraud. Other people have been? i also mentioned many other things and not all of them are blackhat. what im pointing out is the security involing im and hoping to invoke a conversation about this
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Originally Posted by TheReal80HD
Add me please got some questions.
i added you on im
Originally Posted by chasingsnow
so refund and se services are banned then? that can be charged as mail or wire fraud. Other people have been? i also mentioned many other things and not all of them are blackhat. what im pointing out is the security involing im and hoping to invoke a conversation about this
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i added you on im
You are just twisting things now, they are not considered black hat but grey hat. If I remember correctly, you tried to offer mexican passport or citizenship a while back, that shits black hat
Originally Posted by Majestic
You are just twisting things now, they are not considered black hat but grey hat. If I remember correctly, you tried to offer mexican passport or citizenship a while back, that shits black hat
For questions about IM logs you'd have to ask Dave directly. @chasingsnow
And yeh blackhat isn't allowed, greyhat is which as you mentioned refunding/seing is considered as.
Originally Posted by Danny
For questions about IM logs you'd have to ask Dave directly. @chasingsnow
And yeh blackhat isn't allowed, greyhat is which as you mentioned refunding/seing is considered as.
ok but then what do you say about the people who have been charged with mail or wire fraud for the same things that are being done on these fourms? Lieing and saying you did not get something or lieing to a company to make money is fraud plane and simple . just becuase we think they wont proscute does not change the fact that it is still fraude.
thats my only point. I agree i should ask
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Originally Posted by Majestic
You are just twisting things now, they are not considered black hat but grey hat. If I remember correctly, you tried to offer mexican passport or citizenship a while back, that shits black hat
your still missing my point, yes that is blackhat but se and refunding are still fraud. I can post links if neccesary of real people on other sites facing charges if you disagree that this is not illegal
Originally Posted by chasingsnow
ok but then what do you say about the people who have been charged with mail or wire fraud for the same things that are being done on these fourms? Lieing and saying you did not get something or lieing to a company to make money is fraud plane and simple . just becuase we think they wont proscute does not change the fact that it is still fraude.
thats my only point. I agree i should ask
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your still missing my point, yes that is blackhat but se and refunding are still fraud. I can post links if neccesary of real people on other sites facing charges if you disagree that this is not illegal
This compilation took me 5 minutes if i had the time or someone else did they can find a much longer or detailed list then me and actually investigate it, not sure the accuracy of all of these my only point is it happens and it is something people should be thinking about, and even if this wasn't an issue. Asking about the use of logs and the policy on how logs would be handled should not be an out their request given the grayish area of these forums, for example both of us offer services which have us doing things that at the minimum are untrue (lying about the condition of something or the receipt of something) regardless the point again being i feel concerned since we advertise on this site so freely that we will help people commit fraud and we will actually carrier it out for them for a fee. Another example is the fit bit and nests services that require account take overs...
If we are forced to us im then i think there should be more transparency about how our data is stored and share perhaps the implementation of using end to end encryption like signal or a similar concept and at the minimum i think mpgh should be like nulled where you have to be registered to see the marketplace section. i know its not a complete solution but every bit helps. I mean at this point nothing stops and undercover from making accounts on this site and using the information here to prosecute people or attempt to "entrap them"
The point isnt weather people have been charged yet the point of my post was to shine light on the potential issue before it happens and to help everyone here and myself stay safe be reguardless our disagreements it would not be good for either of us or anyone else here to get doxed and then charged.
Originally Posted by chasingsnow
ok but then what do you say about the people who have been charged with mail or wire fraud for the same things that are being done on these fourms? Lieing and saying you did not get something or lieing to a company to make money is fraud plane and simple . just becuase we think they wont proscute does not change the fact that it is still fraude.
thats my only point. I agree i should ask
I'm not the right person to question about the difference between grey hat and black hat.
There are many SE and refund service here on mpgh.. if they were not allowed they would not exist.
Originally Posted by Anwalt_SE
There are many SE and refund service here on mpgh.. if they were not allowed they would not exist.
no thats not my point, Again what i am saying is these services maybe allowed on this fourm but these services are illegal. Refunding and seing can be charged with mail fraud , wire fraud etc etc.
I am asking what happens when the police want to charge someone , maybe a vendor on here or long time user. Does mpgh keep logs of all conversations?
Originally Posted by Majestic
you tried to offer mexican passport or citizenship a while back
hook me up with that 1:1 taco citizenship /s
tbh i wonder why anyone would want that tbh
Originally Posted by chasingsnow
I am just asking questions related to security becuase i plan on luanching a service and was hoping other vendors could chat in and give me advice
ive had my sales and stuff and i never really heard of anyone having problems cause he sold here
if police comes theyre more likely gonna find all the evidence on your pc rather than on mpgh servers
Originally Posted by TheReal80HD
