Let's talk Ethics (modding vs cheating)
Before any of you start to judge, remind yourself the name of this web site and why you are here in the first place.
I'll start by saying that I haven't used a mod menu in a while. When I did, I used it in story mode or online for my own private use and around friends ONLY. I teleported, used self-enhancing options inside jobs like survival or heists, spawned cars for fun and profit, gave (and received) money privately, and other good, clean fun options IN PRIVATE with my friends. I never used harm options on anyone. Never spawned any objects on top of anyone (except on my friends in private and with their consent and knowledge). Never used mass griefing options in freemode. Never took away weapons. Never kicked, froze or crashed anyone, even when I was on the receiving end of UFOs, ferris wheels or campfires. And, I have never used god mode, aimbot or modded ammo in freemode against other players. I consider that truly cheating and disrespectful.
When the 1.31 patch came out, I kind of felt relieved, because I knew mod menus wouldn't be around for a little while. It was refreshing not spawning into a session where you were greeted with a sofa or a foreign object inside your garage, or a mass explosion, or a windmill in front of your garage or LSC. It felt good not going into passive mode the second you joined a session for fear of a 13 year old prick with a menu blowing everyone up just for trololololol. It was actually fun playing the game normally, doing normal missions, having fun with friends. I even felt relief and joy when I read that the guys from Infamous decided to take out mass griefing options from their menu. Even though their menu is the most popular, there are still other menu developers who refuse to think the same way and kept options to ruin the game for everyone.
Mod menus are not making the game fun anymore, they're making the game intolerable. I just came out of a session where I got stuff spawned on me, sniped more times that I can care to count by people who were running, even emptied entire clips at close range and threw sticky bombs at characters who just wouldn't die. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the occasional firefight just as much as anyone else, but I like fair fights. If you are a better player than me, I'm the first one to admit it. Kill me using your own skill, not using aimbot. I even publicly called out players on god mode, and one had the audacity to tell me not to worry, that it was all in good fun. Fun for who? It was certainly not fun for me, and I'm sure it wasn't for everyone else in the session trying to take him out. There was an objective in a mission, and he was cheating by blocking everyone from completing the objective. What's the point in playing a game mode where the objective is to take out another player, but he's on god mode and will not die? What's the point of even playing if others are going to cheat like that? I'm not mad because someone kept killing me. I'm pissed because someone with inferior skill used a mod to cheat against me and others.
Where do you draw the line as a gamer between modding and cheating? You could argue that spawning money or doing all that stuff I did in private is also cheating, and you would be absolutely right. We are all cheaters here, in that sense. That's what this whole web site is about. That's why you're reading this right now. But we are all here supposedly collectively cheating against the system, against the absurdly one-sided economy of the game. We should not be cheating against each other! Want to give yourself money and RP? Fine. Give yourself all weapons and vehicles? Go for it. You can spawn enough money to buy a yacht for everyone in a session, for all I care. But do those things in private. Don't come at me or other players unless you're prepared to do so in a fair and honest manner. If you shoot me, I die, and vice versa. If you don't like dying, get better at the game by playing it, not by using a tool.
Respect is the key word here. Respect your fellow gamers. We all paid good money to enjoy the game. Don't be such a selfish bastard and pretend you're the only one who has the right to have fun in this game. Respect MY right to enjoy the game, as well.
This is my opinion. What's yours? Remember the key word...
I'll start by saying that I haven't used a mod menu in a while. When I did, I used it in story mode or online for my own private use and around friends ONLY. I teleported, used self-enhancing options inside jobs like survival or heists, spawned cars for fun and profit, gave (and received) money privately, and other good, clean fun options IN PRIVATE with my friends. I never used harm options on anyone. Never spawned any objects on top of anyone (except on my friends in private and with their consent and knowledge). Never used mass griefing options in freemode. Never took away weapons. Never kicked, froze or crashed anyone, even when I was on the receiving end of UFOs, ferris wheels or campfires. And, I have never used god mode, aimbot or modded ammo in freemode against other players. I consider that truly cheating and disrespectful.
When the 1.31 patch came out, I kind of felt relieved, because I knew mod menus wouldn't be around for a little while. It was refreshing not spawning into a session where you were greeted with a sofa or a foreign object inside your garage, or a mass explosion, or a windmill in front of your garage or LSC. It felt good not going into passive mode the second you joined a session for fear of a 13 year old prick with a menu blowing everyone up just for trololololol. It was actually fun playing the game normally, doing normal missions, having fun with friends. I even felt relief and joy when I read that the guys from Infamous decided to take out mass griefing options from their menu. Even though their menu is the most popular, there are still other menu developers who refuse to think the same way and kept options to ruin the game for everyone.
Mod menus are not making the game fun anymore, they're making the game intolerable. I just came out of a session where I got stuff spawned on me, sniped more times that I can care to count by people who were running, even emptied entire clips at close range and threw sticky bombs at characters who just wouldn't die. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the occasional firefight just as much as anyone else, but I like fair fights. If you are a better player than me, I'm the first one to admit it. Kill me using your own skill, not using aimbot. I even publicly called out players on god mode, and one had the audacity to tell me not to worry, that it was all in good fun. Fun for who? It was certainly not fun for me, and I'm sure it wasn't for everyone else in the session trying to take him out. There was an objective in a mission, and he was cheating by blocking everyone from completing the objective. What's the point in playing a game mode where the objective is to take out another player, but he's on god mode and will not die? What's the point of even playing if others are going to cheat like that? I'm not mad because someone kept killing me. I'm pissed because someone with inferior skill used a mod to cheat against me and others.
Where do you draw the line as a gamer between modding and cheating? You could argue that spawning money or doing all that stuff I did in private is also cheating, and you would be absolutely right. We are all cheaters here, in that sense. That's what this whole web site is about. That's why you're reading this right now. But we are all here supposedly collectively cheating against the system, against the absurdly one-sided economy of the game. We should not be cheating against each other! Want to give yourself money and RP? Fine. Give yourself all weapons and vehicles? Go for it. You can spawn enough money to buy a yacht for everyone in a session, for all I care. But do those things in private. Don't come at me or other players unless you're prepared to do so in a fair and honest manner. If you shoot me, I die, and vice versa. If you don't like dying, get better at the game by playing it, not by using a tool.
Respect is the key word here. Respect your fellow gamers. We all paid good money to enjoy the game. Don't be such a selfish bastard and pretend you're the only one who has the right to have fun in this game. Respect MY right to enjoy the game, as well.
This is my opinion. What's yours? Remember the key word...
Originally Posted by xray25
