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Daum, I hope I'm considered one of the 'intelligent' people :P

And sure NextGen1, I would appreciate help with my quest for HTML5 knowledge
I'm sure I'm gonna regret this, but here's my email: tehkiller@live.nl

*note to choobs*Don't bother adding me I will flame you if you're not NextGen1 or Arhk :P

edit: I am sort of taking part in the conversation, but in the same way as I do in real life(stay in the background, listen and observe ^^).
There was something awsome on discovery channel a few months back, it was some octopus like robot that had to teach itself how to move, and it developed some weird roll to move forward, looked so awsome.

edit 2: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7544099.stm Can't find the octopus video yet, but this one's hilarious too xD

edit 3: FUCK YEAH! FOUND IT! http://www.ted.com/talks/hod_lipson_...re_robots.html wasn't discovery I guess XD
@Hell

Usually you don't flame me and I'm not NextGen nor Arhk D=..
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@Hell

Usually you don't flame me and I'm not NextGen nor Arhk D=..
But you're a sexy bish and not a noob
TBH I have no idea what u guys r talking about, I just made a really long post to fit in! =(

I think artificial intelligence will come about, but in small ways. Maybe Im a dreamer. AI's take up a lot of CPU, because there's really no point for them to think, just wasting cycles, but I think malicious programs will be first forms of AI, because there purpose is not to think, but to gain control, sort of how a baby gains motor control, through simple trial and error.

I imagine a program that will do crazy things like hook API calls just to reside in other processes and see what they are capable of. if it wants to calculate something it could get into calc.exe and figure out how to run it for its advantage. Or use internet explorer to download and send information. All that seems interesting as hell to me. So u have this virus that is in every program in ur computer and can connect to everything. it can just feel the rythm of the processor as it becomes familiar with its body.

I read to much sci fi. =/
Arhk is talking about HLL turning people lazy and stupid ( I think ), NextGen1 is talking about web applications/languages taking over the world and BA explained how each language has it's benefits and how low level & high level languages will have it's place in computer science.

I think.. It's hard to keep up.
I'm not sure if you guys are quite understanding what Web Based actually means. OS' like Chrome OS are being built off of web browsers, and soon using programs that interface with anything other component than a browser seems ridiculous, since I could just as easily play Instant Action from a web browser rather then going on ahead and installing "3rd" party gaming software on my machine. Since everything will just be a powerful little computer playing our FPS games using a browser wouldn't be all that ridiculous.
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At one point things like 8-track, cassette tapes, CDs, and other things I can't recall.... Were high-tech. But then it was realized digital was the trump card, and digital would beat analogue everytime.
8-tracks "I can't carry these things around or anything" cassette tapes "Oh.... Oh kay~" CDs "This is good I can carry like a dozen of these bad boys in my wlakman case" (honestly don't know how people carried around their Walkman cds when they were popular) MP3/4 "Yupp the music is right in there where it should be, now where do I find some Wi-Fi around here..."
From analogue with records to digital with MP3/4's, from analogue with analogue computers to fully digital computers.
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If there is always such exponential room for improvement on technology I would like to consider the fact, that even though we think we're doing good with digital. What if something better is out there but everyone else is too focused on perfecting 8-Track. Because in theory that room for technological growth is so great, we might very well be developing on 8-track even when it's concerned to the very base of modern technology, which is digital.

It's a realistic consideration, the human mind shows a far greater processing power than any computer. The human body runs off of chemical reactions, not binary, nothing is truly to be said on how the human mind truly manifest things, but something is to be learnt from God's handiwork if he didn't quite get the idea that the human mind should be silicon, he maybe using higher quality stuff. If you ask me biology has been TRollin' on technology for a while without scientist really taking notice to the fact of the matter. Viruses, bacteria and other microrganisms have shown greater inteligence in such small sizes than we could ever make silicon to exhibit.
Google Chrome OS was developed with the web browser in mind, it is however open source and developed on linux, making it as much of a "Real OS" as linux, ubuntu, Fedora, Red Hat, Mandrake, X windows etc. the major difference is in it's storage and execution, Google basically said, "Something like 80% of computer users go on their computer for the internet, so why not make it so their computer is built not for performance, but for the internet, it's applications are "web based", what web based means is quit literal to the term, a web based application has it's roots in the web develppment enviroment and was not developed to be native to the OS but developed to be cross platform and accessible from almost every device, Google took that concept and enhanced it, you can now get on your computer, into your applications from button press to internet access in just a few seconds, you can play games, store emails, share documents and so much more without using any storage on your harddrive, and be able to access any document from anywhere in the world, simply by logging in and grabbing it from "The Cloud" . When Google OS first became a thought in development, I got a copy of the Beta and ran it in VMware, I was more then impressed.
8-tracks "I can't carry these things around or anything" cassette tapes "Oh.... Oh kay~" CDs "This is good I can carry like a dozen of these bad boys in my wlakman case" (honestly don't know how people carried around their Walkman cds when they were popular) MP3/4 "Yupp the music is right in there where it should be, now where do I find some Wi-Fi around here..."
From analogue with records to digital with MP3/4's, from analogue with analogue computers to fully digital computers.
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If there is always such exponential room for improvement on technology I would like to consider the fact, that even though we think we're doing good with digital. What if something better is out there but everyone else is too focused on perfecting 8-Track. Because in theory that room for technological growth is so great, we might very well be developing on 8-track even when it's concerned to the very base of modern technology, which is digital.

It's a realistic consideration, the human mind shows a far greater processing power than any computer. The human body runs off of chemical reactions, not binary, nothing is truly to be said on how the human mind truly manifest things, but something is to be learnt from God's handiwork if he didn't quite get the idea that the human mind should be silicon, he maybe using higher quality stuff. If you ask me biology has been TRollin' on technology for a while without scientist really taking notice to the fact of the matter. Viruses, bacteria and other microrganisms have shown greater inteligence in such small sizes than we could ever make silicon to exhibit.
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Can we improve on Mp3/4 players, the answer is yes, Web Applications like pandora, data/audio streaming servers that allow us to connect and access a database of music we saved through the Iphone/Itouch etc without storing it on our hard drive, like many thing in life, things started out small, got bigger ,then small again , Hard drives with 10MB of storage was Huge back in the day, now we all have at least a TB or a few TB of storage, as time progresses it seems to me that having a TB Harddrive would make your computer a "dinosaur" , Because with OS's like Chrome OS and applications (web based) like pandora, why would you need any hard drive space at all?

Steve Jobs a leader in the industry said "we are developing more web capable devices to prepare for the future" , They conformed to what we know as the industry standard, and regardless of personal opinions (which we all have) the fact is to be successful you have to conform, and considering I am in the industry it is best I am able to adapt and change with the users (clients) specifications.
There is always appeal in adapting to industry trends, for profits, fun web apps, average software things. But I'm not sure if you're trying to argue against things like
C++/ASM with that statement, but servers will still need these kinds of programmers (and a higher demand would probably increase salaries or even potential for jumping in on the market with a upstart Corporation). The average app will probably be web based seeing how things are trending, have no interest in arguing that for now (security suites would be immune to the trending).
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Also I don't understand why corps like Google are pushing the web app handle so hard considering bandwidth is still relatively minuscule compared to how much content we actually use. Will I have to wait an hour on my average g standard Wi-Fi compatible gadget, to get to pre-loading my favorite high definition game? (since the intention is I wont have a real HD of my own for my device to stand on?) If bandwidth had a Moore's law to it, it would make the lives of many users waiting on a load bar much easier (I really just considered the jump from Dial-up to DSL to Cable, just the three stooges finally cleaning up their act).
I am not saying C++ will be a obsolete language, I am saying it will be close to obsolete, But will C++ be as prominent as it has been from inception to now? My Answer would have to be No... Many other languages have been developed that are somewhat better for a-lot of things. C++ is a great multi-paradigm language and will have it's place, but it's place will be small.

Java , Html, and .NET seem poised to have some extreme growth and at the expense of C++ in most areas. And soon after HTML and it's successors will soon follow suit and .Net will slowly fade out as well. Java will stay strong because it is more mature then the .Net Language and provides a successfully proven working package that can be used cross-platform and is and can be used for server-side development, couple that with the fact that it can also work with mobile devices and other small devices and is currently the the leading platform for these small devices , and considering the small and mobile devices will soon take over the electronic industry, One would assume (when doing marketing research in a attempt to improve their business) That Java will soon be holding the strongest part of the industry, and HTML5 will soon follow , and it will no longer be C++ VS .Net , but it will be Java Vs. Html5 , and developers of C++ will soon be forgotten.

Consider this, most everyone (who is a actual developer) in the developers section are here to write Hacks and Applications, well if every money making device is built with the above thoughts, then wouldn't it make sence to learn the language suitable to perform on that device?

Google and other corps like them are pushing for the web angle because it works, they are not keeping the "gamer" in mind, They are thinking of mobility, web applications have almost no wait time. What will happen though is gaming companies will begin developing games in Java, and begin using cloud servers with RAID to allow quicker read and write. What will happen will be similar to what has already happened with the result of the I-phone and that is innovation, the execution of the I-Phone can be summed up as "perfect" even with flaws, it cause the biggest form of innovations (to compete) in the mobile industry, did you know the I-Phone was originally a windows mobile phone designed by Intel? I know the director of projects and I-Heard the story. And it made sense , the development of a touch screen windows mobile device, but Apple got the idea and completed it first and this forced innovations, the same will happen in development, as Google Chome OS becomes "accepted" in the industry , game developers will begin constructing even Higher Definition Games the run on lower bandwidth and less memory, right now we are using the tools we have, we know we have ~ Resources and ~ Space, so we develop with that in mind, but if(when) the industry standards changed, so will everything around it, that is just how the industry works, and though some of us may want to believe that this is not the outcome, I have seen it so many times, I am deep rooted in the industry because I have to be, I started developing I-Phone applications, Not because I really wanted to , but because I have to ...
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That is my point
We've been slowly moving to more OOP, but the first "programming language" was ASM and it lives on to this day, for security reasons and for hackers who wish to learn/exploit and simply for speed.

It's impractical that C/C++ should die since, its been agreed apon that a middle level language is needed to make ASM more manageable, and C/C++ has so far been that middle level language (since C# goes away from it all in comparison). ASM/C/C++ also has a deep rooting in professional projects, I'm flying an airplane.... What are all these indicator gadgets programmed in...? Most certainly not Java or languages that use the .NET framework, that would never be able to keep up with less than split second realtime calculations. NO an embedded OS made up of precise fast ASM algorithms able to take advantage of special ALU functions of a special architecture of processor being used for these fast real-time applications.

I know nothing about actual airplane indicator programming (obvious?) so I only say what would be the most logical and responsible thing would be on a professional company's behalf, also considering planes sell in the multi-hundred millions this maybe be a profitable niche indeed.
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There are too many things to be listed for why ASM/C/C++ will always have a professional niche, engineering projects are simply one category of many.
Arhk, I agree, Your misunderstanding, I may have said it 6 times not over the course of this entire discussion, I am referring to application and OS development, the trade off of C++ which will be < Web Based Languages. I am saying C++ will be a near obsolete language in the near future (when referring to application development and OS development)

Trust that I know that ASM Primes per Sec > C++ Primes Per sec > C# Primes per Sec > Java Applet PPS > Silverlight PPS > Flash PPS > Java PPS , In fact Java has the slowest primes per second of any one language.

My point is not in it's future uses, it's in it's decreasing need for the same uses.
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Arhk, I agree, Your misunderstanding, I may have said it 6 times not over the course of this entire discussion, I am referring to application and OS development, the trade off of C++ which will be < Web Based Languages. I am saying C++ will be a near obsolete language in the near future (when referring to application development and OS development)

Trust that I know that ASM Primes per Sec > C++ Primes Per sec > C# Primes per Sec > Java Applet PPS > Silverlight PPS > Flash PPS > Java PPS , In fact Java has the slowest primes per second of any one language.

My point is not in it's future uses, it's in it's decreasing need for the same uses.
Does this mean I win....?
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The caps in the post were accidental but I left them in for dramatic effect.
accidental dbl pst..
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I guess I have nothing to reply to this yet, so here are the first 1000 numbers of Pi

3.1415926535 8979323846 2643383279 5028841971 6939937510 5820974944 5923078164 0628620899 8628034825 3421170679 8214808651 3282306647 0938446095 5058223172 5359408128 4811174502 8410270193 8521105559 6446229489 5493038196 4428810975 6659334461 2847564823 3786783165 2712019091 4564856692 3460348610 4543266482 1339360726 0249141273 7245870066 0631558817 4881520920 9628292540 9171536436 7892590360 0113305305 4882046652 1384146951 9415116094 3305727036 5759591953 0921861173 8193261179 3105118548 0744623799 6274956735 1885752724 8912279381 8301194912 9833673362 4406566430 8602139494 6395224737 1907021798 6094370277 0539217176 2931767523 8467481846 7669405132 0005681271 4526356082 7785771342 7577896091 7363717872 1468440901 2249534301 4654958537 1050792279 6892589235 4201995611 2129021960 8640344181 5981362977 4771309960 5187072113 4999999837 2978049951 0597317328 1609631859 5024459455 3469083026 4252230825 3344685035 2619311881 7101000313 7838752886 5875332083 8142061717 7669147303 5982534904 2875546873 1159562863 8823537875 9375195778 1857780532 1712268066 1300192787 6611195909 2164201989
I forgot what the original topic/question was... Daauum..

This should be /closed.
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