So, how about you idiots keep the bickering and useless talk of relations and fake gm's the fuck out of this thread so I can read logical posts and hopefully get more information (Highly doubt it unless someone intelligent does post anyway) I've decided that tonight I'm going to see about hooking console output and see what comes out for certain commands. And if that doesn't work I'll get around to getting a working debugger stable and see what happens. I'm determined to get this bitch working and I'll stop just short of sending my own packets (or creating my own packet class. MCommand from GunZ anyone?)