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This isn't a community, there are maybe 10 people that help each other out... Everyone else just leeches...
I agree although its not simple like that.
Me for example, i want to help others by sharing my methods/codes, but idk what to do.
#76 ·
Quote Originally Posted by Doeetright View Post
"IF" There is no relation, one of the two are extremely good coders (or both) and can tell what's going on in the game just by checking databases... Again, I fully believe it's legit... Because this game isn't near as complex as say WoW or something to break... I mean for fucks sake they left the console in the game...
They didn't leave shit in the game, the console it's self doesn't exist(Thanks to whoever said that to me a few posts back, saved me time of attempting to hook output), just the function to execute commands which is required by the game it's self...

Also, "Just by checking databases" we have no databases in the client, why would we? We have resources we can look into but I meant databases as in server side. Little known fact to most people around these parts I assume... but databases don't just store data. They have these nice little things called stored procedures which are used and called by the game server to do things. Like the level up, what do you think happens. The game server just tells the database to change your level? well how does it tell it to do that. It calls the stored procedure.
#77 ·
Quote Originally Posted by Sunloop View Post
They didn't leave shit in the game, the console it's self doesn't exist(Thanks to whoever said that to me a few posts back, saved me time of attempting to hook output), just the function to execute commands which is required by the game it's self...

Also, "Just by checking databases" we have no databases in the client, why would we? We have resources we can look into but I meant databases as in server side. Little known fact to most people around these parts I assume... but databases don't just store data. They have these nice little things called stored procedures which are used and called by the game server to do things. Like the level up, what do you think happens. The game server just tells the database to change your level? well how does it tell it to do that. It calls the stored procedure.
Then how in the hell do you explain accessing console commands by just hacking HFS config files?
#78 ·
Quote Originally Posted by Doeetright View Post
Then how in the hell do you explain accessing console commands by just hacking HFS config files?
Did he say that its not possible?
#79 ·
Quote Originally Posted by Sunloop View Post
They didn't leave shit in the game, the console it's self doesn't exist.

Quote Originally Posted by Nico View Post
Did he say that its not possible?
Unless I just turned retarded and illiterate... yes...
#80 ·
Quote Originally Posted by Sunloop View Post
They didn't leave shit in the game, the console it's self doesn't exist(Thanks to whoever said that to me a few posts back, saved me time of attempting to hook output), just the function to execute commands which is required by the game it's self...

Also, "Just by checking databases" we have no databases in the client, why would we? We have resources we can look into but I meant databases as in server side. Little known fact to most people around these parts I assume... but databases don't just store data. They have these nice little things called stored procedures which are used and called by the game server to do things. Like the level up, what do you think happens. The game server just tells the database to change your level? well how does it tell it to do that. It calls the stored procedure.
This man definitely knows what he's talking about, but I don't. Regardless, if we can still use Hell_Demon's first console with a downgraded hackshield, that would mean that the input is still there right? I'm sure you could still try hooking the output. IIRC a few months ago someone did that.
#81 ·
Quote Originally Posted by Doeetright View Post
Then how in the hell do you explain accessing console commands by just hacking HFS config files?
>Implying HFS files are databases

#82 · edited ·
Edit: Well, console means the Developer Console made by Valve. It doesnt seem to be existing. Executing commands or scripts (exec) is something different, its done by the engine (IVEngineClient::ClientCmd).
#83 · edited ·
Quote Originally Posted by Someone4956 View Post
This man definitely knows what he's talking about, but I don't. Regardless, if we can still use Hell_Demon's first console with a downgraded hackshield, that would mean that the input is still there right? I'm sure you could still try hooking the output. IIRC a few months ago someone did that.
See this is what I'm talking about about the few helpful people... Clearly the guy isn't sure, or hasn't been tampering with Vindi long enough to really know what he's talking about (And I'm saying that with only fucking with it for 2 weeks)

People pretend to know their shit and fill the community with bullshit, wasting everyone's time... That's the difference between a leecher and a contributor... A leecher thinks he knows everything... And a contributor admits that he's learning as he goes... I don't know a lot about the game yet I'll admit... But to say the console doesn't exist without HD's console is retarded... I found that out within like 2 or 3 days of being here...

EDIT: I'm pretty sure I said what they were did I not? "CONFIG FILES" Config files /= Databases... Like really, who is this guy?

EDIT2: @Sunloop's post below me... Now see, that makes sense... Maybe it was a simple miscommunication between us I didn't realize you were simply referring to the gui of HD's console... My apologies.
#84 · edited ·
Quote Originally Posted by Doeetright View Post
See this is what I'm talking about about the few helpful people... Clearly the guy isn't sure, or hasn't been tampering with Vindi long enough to really know what he's talking about (And I'm saying that with only fucking with it for 2 weeks)

People pretend to know their shit and fill the community with bullshit, wasting everyone's time... That's the difference between a leecher and a contributor... A leecher thinks he knows everything... And a contributor admits that he's learning as he goes... I don't know a lot about the game yet I'll admit... But to say the console doesn't exist without HD's console is retarded... I found that out within like 2 or 3 days of being here...
Do you not know what a function is, or anything of what I said?

The console is merely a GUI handler, when you input the command to the console, at least in hells console it writes it to VDC.txt in C:\ which the injected DLL then grabs the string out of VDC.txt and parses it into the function it calls. I used the same method when I first made my own, I no longer do this as well it's messy and I did it merely because it was my first divulsion into Vindi.

So when I say "there is no console" it means there is no GUI handler, there is the function that the console uses... yes. but no console.
#85 ·
Quote Originally Posted by Doeetright View Post
See this is what I'm talking about about the few helpful people... Clearly the guy isn't sure, or hasn't been tampering with Vindi long enough to really know what he's talking about (And I'm saying that with only fucking with it for 2 weeks)

People pretend to know their shit and fill the community with bullshit, wasting everyone's time... That's the difference between a leecher and a contributor... A leecher thinks he knows everything... And a contributor admits that he's learning as he goes... I don't know a lot about the game yet I'll admit... But to say the console doesn't exist without HD's console is retarded... I found that out within like 2 or 3 days of being here...

EDIT: I'm pretty sure I said what they were did I not? "CONFIG FILES" Config files /= Databases... Like really, who is this guy?
Yes, as i said, the console itself (Dev console) doesnt exist, the command used by it does. And i know all this stuff about source engine games, because im doing shit with their source code for over a year now :3
#86 ·
Making this post to hopefully set people straight on what a function is (Keep in mind this has nothing to do with Vindi and i'm actually using a GunZ function this is just to clear things up when I say "there is no console"

ZChatOutput( const char* szMsg, int nType, int nLoc, DWORD dwColor )

Is what the structure of a function looks like, seems pretty confusing at first glance, yes? Well it's quite simple. The first part before the part in parentheses is the name of the function. ZChatOutput this is the function that puts the text in your chat in that game. In the parentheses is the parameters of the function, what data it sends. So if you want to send your own version of it via detours(You can highjack the thread and do what you want with detorus) You need to send the proper params too.

So that's how the core works of functions, Vindictus has many functions too. There is the one that is used when you press that nice little send button on H_D's console. Understand now?
#87 ·
Quote Originally Posted by Sunloop View Post
Making this post to hopefully set people straight on what a function is (Keep in mind this has nothing to do with Vindi and i'm actually using a GunZ function this is just to clear things up when I say "there is no console"

ZChatOutput( const char* szMsg, int nType, int nLoc, DWORD dwColor )

Is what the structure of a function looks like, seems pretty confusing at first glance, yes? Well it's quite simple. The first part before the part in parentheses is the name of the function. ZChatOutput this is the function that puts the text in your chat in that game. In the parentheses is the parameters of the function, what data it sends. So if you want to send your own version of it via detours(You can highjack the thread and do what you want with detorus) You need to send the proper params too.

So that's how the core works of functions, Vindictus has many functions too. There is the one that is used when you press that nice little send button on H_D's console. Understand now?
No no, I got it, I edited my post guess you didn't see it... We were talking about two separate things and I apologized. I assumed you were strictly talking about commands in themselves not being able to work without a "console" (MOST people here really have no programming knowledge at all... Clearly my fault for assuming the worst out of you) I didn't realize you were simply referring to the console as HD's gui and how it's setup and running. You clarified that in the post directly below mine so I didn't feel the need to post again and apologize But here it is! I apologize, we were talking about two seperate things... Thanks for the clarification on what you were talking about
#88 ·
ah! Yeah, no I didn't see your edited post. Alright man, yes it does seem we were on different topics all's good though apology accepted :] Never was insulted anyway, just went on to explain what I was talking about in a more in-depth manner.
#89 ·
theres no way a leecher could learn form this site, theres literally just 2 good tuts that teach you anything. i have to go to outside sources or even take a class or something because of the lack of help here. spoonfeed is okay if your a growing memeber but seriously the vets and pros here are nottt intrested into making potentilly good hackers, just that
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