Islam is Fear.

Originally Posted by Empire

Islam isn't just about its own religion guidelines, its about everyone else's interaction with muslims. In Islamic rule, any non-muslim is a second class citizen.

Basically Islam is the simplest form of oppression in the form of a religion. Slavery, war, conquest, all fine within the rulings of Islam. God doesn't even need to give the ok, its a general acceptance.

Can you give me a proof of this "In Islamic rule, any non-muslim is a second class citizen." ?
Cause in the Qura'an every one is the same , no matter the color the nationality , the age .
Backing up your answers maybe would convince me with the shit you're talking about...

Originally Posted by Janitor

Can you give me a proof of this "In Islamic rule, any non-muslim is a second class citizen." ?
Cause in the Qura'an every one is the same , no matter the color the nationality , the age .
Backing up your answers maybe would convince me with the shit you're talking about...

Persecution of Non-Muslims - WikiIslam

Ever heard of dhimmi? Its a non-muslim living in an Islamic ruled country. They are treated as second class citzens in every regard.

This started back in the jihad-wars days, still remains to this day. Surprising? Not really, considering the extreme amount of convert tactics Islam uses, its almost obvious you'd have to make second class citizens of every non-muslim

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Originally Posted by ahmedps8

@Empire

do you said islam is violance?

its ok ;;;i want to ask you a quastion

in your holy books talk about the jesus that who kill the juses go to the PARADISE pfff

2nd you insult the god mean you told the god have a SON (jesus)

and the chris holy book is Distort

and the islam say TO BELIVE ALL Prophets and you dont belive MUHAMMED

and we belive all PROPHETS of god

belive me chris is Distorted

>not christian<

@Empire

do you said islam is violance?

its ok ;;;i want to ask you a quastion

in your holy books talk about the jesus that who kill the juses go to the PARADISE pfff

2nd you insult the god mean you told the god have a SON (jesus)

and the chris holy book is Distort

and the islam say TO BELIVE ALL Prophets and you dont belive MUHAMMED

and we belive all PROPHETS of god

belive me chris is Distorted

Originally Posted by ahmedps8

@Empire

do you said islam is violance?

its ok ;;;i want to ask you a quastion

in your holy books talk about the jesus that who kill the juses go to the PARADISE pfff

2nd you insult the god mean you told the god have a SON (jesus)

and the chris holy book is Distort

and the islam say TO BELIVE ALL Prophets and you dont belive MUHAMMED

and we belive all PROPHETS of god

belive me chris is Distorted

Really bro translate.google.com comes in handy some times.

Originally Posted by ahmedps8

@Empire

do you said islam is violance?

its ok ;;;i want to ask you a quastion

in your holy books talk about the jesus that who kill the juses go to the PARADISE pfff

2nd you insult the god mean you told the god have a SON (jesus)

and the chris holy book is Distort

and the islam say TO BELIVE ALL Prophets and you dont belive MUHAMMED

and we belive all PROPHETS of god

belive me chris is Distorted

The bible is just as ludicrous as you are.

Originally Posted by Empire

Persecution of Non-Muslims - WikiIslam

Ever heard of dhimmi? Its a non-muslim living in an Islamic ruled country. They are treated as second class citzens in every regard.

This started back in the jihad-wars days, still remains to this day. Surprising? Not really, considering the extreme amount of convert tactics Islam uses, its almost obvious you'd have to make second class citizens of every non-muslim

Wiki is shit...
Jizyeh or dhimmi was there at the prophet Muhammad time , and yes other religions did pay money to "Live in peace , Protected by Muslims and more things ... all was mentioned in the Qura'an also" And they weren't forced to pay money.Moreover, Nobody was forced to be a Muslim .
These days I doubt the Jizyeh or dhimmi is still in Arab countries ... Take mine as an example , I have Jew & Christian friends and I really to make sure of it I called some of them to double check if there parents pays Jizyeh or something.DENIED.

I believe you don't believe in religions etc.. Over here is the same situation , but i really wanted to discuss what I learned and what I know about Islam.
And really the reason to discuss these things is you , I mean you know a lot , but some of it is wrong ;]
Christian ?

Its fine in Islam.
Its not done in your country(not gonna bother to see if it is).

Its fine in Islam. That's all I need.

Originally Posted by Empire

Its fine in Islam.
Its not done in your country(not gonna bother to see if it is).

Its fine in Islam. That's all I need.

Learn the difference between what Allah said and what Muhammad said.
The prophet asked for Jizyeh when the wars was started etc...

Originally Posted by Janitor

Learn the difference between what Allah said and what Muhammad said.
The prophet asked for Jizyeh when the wars was started etc...

Why would he ask for jizeh ?

Yeah ethereal I tend to make a thread on a certain topic and it gets derailed because someone wants to talk about something else. Which is fine, I don't mind.

Originally Posted by Janitor

Learn the difference between what Allah said and what Muhammad said.
The prophet asked for Jizyeh when the wars was started etc...

Oh I'm sorry, where is the difference between what Allah said and what Muhammed said?

Seems to me Muhammed was the only one who could hear Allah, the only one who spoke for Allah, and the only one who made the rules. But ok, yeah, lets just make a distinction at random if it suits your argument.(sarcasm).

:/ Apologist really go far these days.

Originally Posted by Empire

Yeah ethereal I tend to make a thread on a certain topic and it gets derailed because someone wants to talk about something else. Which is fine, I don't mind.

Oh I'm sorry, where is the difference between what Allah said and what Muhammed said?

Seems to me Muhammed was the only one who could hear Allah, the only one who spoke for Allah, and the only one who made the rules. But ok, yeah, lets just make a distinction at random if it suits your argument.(sarcasm).

:/ Apologist really go far these days.

Muhammad is a prophet and his maximum is just waiting the Gabriel to tell him what Allah says to Muhammad and he never saw Allah.

Originally Posted by [D]opeDog

Muhammad is a prophet and his maximum is just waiting the Gabriel to tell him what Allah says to Muhammad and he never saw Allah.

Semantics. Muhammed spoke for god, but at this point he draws a line like "oh well god never said that". Like there is a difference.

Originally Posted by IsReady

Why would he ask for jizeh ?

To get weapons , build things and etc...

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Originally Posted by Empire

Semantics. Muhammed spoke for god, but at this point he draws a line like "oh well god never said that". Like there is a difference.

Yes god never said that , the Jiyzeh is money or sheep and somethings like that and it's in wars only for help.

I didn't say that Muhammad never spoke to god i said he didn't saw him.

There's a difference between God Said and Muhammad Said and big big difference , What Muhammad says is not called must it's called you should , but what Allah says is called must.

This thread needs some sudden clarity Clarence memes.

In all honesty I think the basis of most religions is fear.

Do this, do that or you don't go to your holy place when you die.

People fear not going to heaven when they die, so they become complacent to a books message.

Originally Posted by Ethereal

This thread needs some sudden clarity Clarence memes.

In all honesty I think the basis of most religions is fear.

Do this, do that or you don't go to your holy place when you die.

People fear not going to heaven when they die, so they become complacent to a books message.

Agreed. It seems I have not come across a single religion that does not set out consequences for not obeying their practices. Also, those religions that do not, such as Buddhism, are not really religions at all, just a lifestyle.

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