Varus v. Ryze difficulty rating?
As an avid Varus player myself, the revelation of Varus having an overall difficultly of 2 while Ryze holds a 7 is slightly aggravating.
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/10...s-changes.html <- Source
What do you guys think? Allow me to vent my train of thought, and then respond for yourselves. For starters, Phreak responded, defending these new changes since Varus is easy to learn if you play a lot of marksmen. I quote
"It's not 1 to 1 with the scaling, but most Marksmen are actually pretty easy: Once you learn one, you basically learn them all. You're roughly as good as a first-time Varus as you are as a 30-time Varus (compared to other champions)."
Meanwhile, Ryze is given a 7 because "Ryze has basically no comparison champion. You have to learn Ryze specifically."
Then why are other marksmen given a high difficulty rating? Look at Lucian or Draven, both with a difficulty of 8. If "you learn one, you basically learn them all", then why are these champions so high up in difficulty? Wouldn't it make sense, if that statement was true, to make all the marksmen have around the same difficulty? Secondly, given the meta right now, Varus, being a mid game immobile adc, is incredibly hard to play with against high mobility, hyper carry/early game champions, such as Tristana, Corki, Lucian, etc. Wouldn't that make him harder to play in these circumstances? Also, look at the second part, where he states that a first time Varus is as good as a 30 time Varus. I've played my fair share of Varus, and I can say that is not true. There is a distinct line between a first time and 30 time, evidenced by the Q and ult usage/accuracy. So what about Ryze, then? Does he really have no comparison champion? Ryze didn't just get the nickname of being a face roll champion out of spite, I would think, but rather because he is quite simple to play. Of course, this is where I lose my credibility, since I don't play Ryze, at all, really, so I wouldn't know much. My final point to make would be this; Ok, suppose Varus is actually a difficultly 2 champion, why is someone like ASHE a 4 difficulty? She doesn't have a stacking passive that requires her to pop it and get a combo out, she doesn't have any constant skillshots except her ult, which can be considered the only reason why she is such a high difficulty. If Varus was an easier champion, then why not set HIM as one of the introduction champions so people can "learn them all"?
tl:dr, just a Varus player ranting on these difficulty ratings.
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/10...s-changes.html <- Source
What do you guys think? Allow me to vent my train of thought, and then respond for yourselves. For starters, Phreak responded, defending these new changes since Varus is easy to learn if you play a lot of marksmen. I quote
"It's not 1 to 1 with the scaling, but most Marksmen are actually pretty easy: Once you learn one, you basically learn them all. You're roughly as good as a first-time Varus as you are as a 30-time Varus (compared to other champions)."
Meanwhile, Ryze is given a 7 because "Ryze has basically no comparison champion. You have to learn Ryze specifically."
Then why are other marksmen given a high difficulty rating? Look at Lucian or Draven, both with a difficulty of 8. If "you learn one, you basically learn them all", then why are these champions so high up in difficulty? Wouldn't it make sense, if that statement was true, to make all the marksmen have around the same difficulty? Secondly, given the meta right now, Varus, being a mid game immobile adc, is incredibly hard to play with against high mobility, hyper carry/early game champions, such as Tristana, Corki, Lucian, etc. Wouldn't that make him harder to play in these circumstances? Also, look at the second part, where he states that a first time Varus is as good as a 30 time Varus. I've played my fair share of Varus, and I can say that is not true. There is a distinct line between a first time and 30 time, evidenced by the Q and ult usage/accuracy. So what about Ryze, then? Does he really have no comparison champion? Ryze didn't just get the nickname of being a face roll champion out of spite, I would think, but rather because he is quite simple to play. Of course, this is where I lose my credibility, since I don't play Ryze, at all, really, so I wouldn't know much. My final point to make would be this; Ok, suppose Varus is actually a difficultly 2 champion, why is someone like ASHE a 4 difficulty? She doesn't have a stacking passive that requires her to pop it and get a combo out, she doesn't have any constant skillshots except her ult, which can be considered the only reason why she is such a high difficulty. If Varus was an easier champion, then why not set HIM as one of the introduction champions so people can "learn them all"?
tl:dr, just a Varus player ranting on these difficulty ratings.
Originally Posted by John Aja
