Gold Exploit Finding

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Originally Posted by Riigged

yeah, im the only one putting thought into finding this method it seems like

Theres no method to find. The exploit is either stolen credit cards OR like in the link i posted (ill post it again for those too lazy to find it: http://www.mpgh.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1095281) there is a site/payment gateway that allows fake cards to be used before they are verified (which is the same basic idea as a stolen card, but less risk obviously).

Reason 1) Using a stolen card doesnt exploit any error in the code. Thats why deca hasnt been able to stop it, there is nothing to "patch" when a stolen card is used since the card is a valid and usable card.
Reason 2) Stolen cards explains why some gold accounts were banned with the reason of "chargeback". If you opened you credit statement and saw a random charge for $20-100 that you have no idea about you would probably do a chargeback too. Or the card gets reported stolen and the credit card company issues a chargeback automatically. This is why some accounts would get banned quickly and others wouldnt get banned at all (some people dont notice a stolen card for awhile because they are idiots about watching their fiances).

Now where there gold exploits in the past that didnt involve stolen cards? Probably. Infact its a good explanation why catchme's selling thread use to brag about "no accounts have been banned blahblahblah". He probably milked that exploit for all it had until deca patched it. But the latest wave of gold accounts are more then likely obtained using stolen cards or using a method with the same concept like the post i linked.

Originally Posted by toddddd

I have no idea why people are still arguing with Riigged over the loss of money. He clearly doesnt understand even the most childishly explained version of economics (using twigs in place of money, which he brought up first lol). So there is literally 0 reason to continue debating him on it. Its obvious to literally everyone else but him.

Ever heard the saying (im adapting it to this situation): If 1 person tells you that you are wrong, you might still be right and they are wrong...but if 10 people tell you that you are wrong then you are a fucking idiot and clearly wrong.

Theres no method to find. The exploit is either stolen credit cards OR like in the link i posted (ill post it again for those too lazy to find it: http://www.mpgh.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1095281) there is a site/payment gateway that allows fake cards to be used before they are verified (which is the same basic idea as a stolen card, but less risk obviously).

Reason 1) Using a stolen card doesnt exploit any error in the code. Thats why deca hasnt been able to stop it, there is nothing to "patch" when a stolen card is used since the card is a valid and usable card.
Reason 2) Stolen cards explains why some gold accounts were banned with the reason of "chargeback". If you opened you credit statement and saw a random charge for $20-100 that you have no idea about you would probably do a chargeback too. Or the card gets reported stolen and the credit card company issues a chargeback automatically. This is why some accounts would get banned quickly and others wouldnt get banned at all (some people dont notice a stolen card for awhile because they are idiots about watching their fiances).

Now where there gold exploits in the past that didnt involve stolen cards? Probably. Infact its a good explanation why catchme's selling thread use to brag about "no accounts have been banned blahblahblah". He probably milked that exploit for all it had until deca patched it. But the latest wave of gold accounts are more then likely obtained using stolen cards or using a method with the same concept like the post i linked.

its not carding, it cant be with how much accounts are being produced at the rate they are, catchme simply uses a program (his own words) (that he made) to alter the price that paypal charges him

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Originally Posted by bluuman

so you admit they are losing money? by definition, lose is to be deprived of something. deca is being deprived of money by gold exploiters selling their gold. got em.

no, i was saying that you guys are using the word "lose" more loosely than i am, i am using it to be exact.

good luck

hmm

The gold exploit being carding dosen't make sense for a few reasons...

1. Deca surely bans accounts which have a succesfull chargeback on gold purchase, and the reality is that card owners do notice. And I honestly haven't seen many people complaining that their gold accts were banned after a week or so.
2. Proper gold exploits have existed before, so why wouldn't this be one?
3. Half the blokes selling gold accounts wouldn't have the balls to card, and if they did, they wouldn't be stupid enough to card Realm gold. So many much more lucrative ways exist to profit with carding.

But hey, that's just my 2 cents...

Originally Posted by Jorji Costava

Consider this:
1. Card Steam, get Steam Wallet funds
2. Buy RotMG gold using those funds
3. Convert Steam RotMG account to web
4. Steam account gets banned, RotMG account won't necessarily
Maybe, just a guess.

I think it's something else though at this point.

Originally Posted by Riigged

answer me this
if deca is losing money, then why havent they sued xsolla like you said they would?

answer: they arent losing money, thats why.

answer me this
if deca is losing money, then why havent they bought the method from catchme, or one of the dozens of people who bought it/got it from friends/etc so they could find how the method is 100% being executed, and patch it?

answer: they arent losing money, thats why
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they dont lose money from this exploit. if i were to do this exploit, i would be getting 16k gold for a few bucks (catchme himself said each time he did it he only had to put in like $3-4), i get gold, now, what does gold buy? it buys stuff in-game, it does not buy you food irl, it does not pay your rent, it does not pay your car insurance, no, it buys you some keys and some chances at the mystery box and some items in-game. gold is not worth any money in the "real world". deca is not losing any money, they are losing money they COULD have gotten from someone who is legitimately buying 16k gold for $100, but nothing is being deducted from their balances/wallets/accounts/whatever you wanna call em.

go ahead stop answering me, i will keep proving my said point and you will keep proving your said point, it will just be a cycle.

Do you know how dumb you sound...
Then in that case, why not sell 160k gold for $1, huh?
More gold per dollar means less money overall going into their system, which makes DECA AAAANGRY.

Originally Posted by ASERHaerheadrherherh

Do you know how dumb you sound...
Then in that case, why not sell 160k gold for $1, huh?
More gold per dollar means less money overall going into their system, which makes DECA AAAANGRY.

do you realize how dumb YOU sound? they dont sell 16k gold for $1 because they want to make as much as they can off of it, nobody else has access to sell gold right into your account except for deca which is why they can charge so much and people will buy

Originally Posted by Riigged

DING DING DING
They want their money, do they're gonna fix their exploit; though if they get the money either way, since xsolla covers charge backs, they may not.

Originally Posted by ASERHaerheadrherherh

DING DING DING
They want their money, do they're gonna fix their exploit; though if they get the money either way, since xsolla covers charge backs, they may not.

and what im tryna say is that if they were PHYSICALLY ACTUALLY LOSING MONEY AKA THEIR MONEY WAS DEDUCTING AKA THEY HAVE LESS MONEY THEN THEY DID BEFORE (THIS IS HOW I DEFINE "LOSE") they would have sued steam or xsolla or whoever the fucks fault it is, and if it was their own fault, they would have simply temporarily shut the game down to work on a hotfix (takes 2 fucking seconds to have server check for stars below 10 for example with more than 16k gold, thats already sketchy enough, and if their check accidentally bans a legit account, the person can simply email support and tell them themselves) and then while that hotfix is in play, it should give them enough time to fully find out how the exploit is being done and patch it (surprised they havent bought it off of catchmes profile on ***** yet, $250 is nothing to them and if it will help them patch the exploit, its in their best interest)

Originally Posted by Riigged

THIS IS HOW I DEFINE "LOSE"

and here stems the problem. you seem to have created some definition of lose in your head, which is not equivalent to the definition of lose other people hold. in mine and the dictionary's definition, to lose is to be deprived of something. deca is deprived of money (money is withheld from them) when people sell gold exploited accounts. fuck outta here with your self defined words, kek.

Originally Posted by bluuman

and here stems the problem. you seem to have created some definition of lose in your head, which is not equivalent to the definition of lose other people hold. in mine and the dictionary's definition, to lose to be deprived of something. deca is deprived of money (money is withheld from them) when people sell gold exploited accounts. fuck outta here with your self defined words, kek.

im talking about physically losing money, you guys are talking about like losing what you couldve gotten, but i just dont count that as ACTUALLY losing something

Originally Posted by Riigged

im talking about physically losing money, you guys are talking about like losing what you couldve gotten, but i just dont count that as ACTUALLY losing something

but we aren't talking about physical money here fam. this virtual currency boi

Im going to have to agree with Rigged on this one. Deca only theoretically loses money because of this, the assumption that many people are making is that the money that people spent on gold accounts would've been used to buy gold legitmately, but the reality of the situation is, many people would simply not buy gold at all if they couldn't get it at exploit prices.

That means, with catchme's method, at least deca is making a few bucks, whereas they would otherwise not be making anything at all from alot of these users, those players would just spend their money elsewhere.

Originally Posted by bluuman

To lose something, you must first have it, and THEN be deprived of it. Deca doesn't have our money until we make the decision to purchase legitimate gold, which again, many people who buy exploited gold would otherwise have spent their money elsewhere, not on legitmate gold.

Potential loss =/= loss

"DECA DON'T GIVE A SHIT IT'S VIRTUAL CURRENCY"

Yeah how about you just go and steal everyone's bitcoins, see how they feel about that
Steal every LoL player's RP, see how they feel about that
Take everything from your RotMG account, because it's just virtual currency, see how you feel about that

Originally Posted by ASERHaerheadrherherh

were not talking about how the other players/deca feels about this, lmao, we dont give 2 shits how they feel, we love making them feel how they currently do about hacks

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Originally Posted by lolpot132

but we aren't talking about physical money here fam. this virtual currency boi

virtual currency just aint worth no money irl to me boi