Making a game engine...

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Quote Originally Posted by rtemis View Post


I'm speaking the truth. I'm being real. Stop being so arrogant.
I KNOW the damn truth. I KNOW I won't finish it. I KNOW I need to know more basic c++ to understand even the simplest things in the game engine. I KNOW it takes years. I KNOW I don't know much c++. I KNOW all this shit.

I still want to see the fucking code behind it, so I can see how it's being used. Jesus Christ, what part of that don't you understand...
The part that you reject the only advice given.
Quote Originally Posted by rtemis View Post
The part that you reject the only advice given.
The advice given is the advice I specifically asked you NOT to give me. By asking NOT to give it to me, I clearly aknowledge the fact that I already know all that. And yet you continue to tell me this stuff.


Here, lets basically say how this conversation is going.

There is a grade 4 math student and you and the math student has a question.

The grade 4 math student wants to know how to do algebra, and specifically tells you that he knows it will be hard but he wants to see a question or two and see if he can understand it.

You then explain to him he needs to know the basic maths before algebra.

The math student says he knows that he just wants to see algebra because he wants to see if he can understand it or not.

You then repeat what you said.

The math student repeats what he says again.

This goes on for an HOUR.

The math student gets pissed off because he knows algebra is going to be hard, he just wants to see if he can understand it.


ffs... can you understand what I want now?
Quote Originally Posted by VvITylerIvV View Post
The advice given is the advice I specifically asked you NOT to give me. By asking NOT to give it to me, I clearly aknowledge the fact that I already know all that. And yet you continue to tell me this stuff.


Here, lets basically say how this conversation is going.

There is a grade 4 math student and you and the math student has a question.

The grade 4 math student wants to know how to do algebra, and specifically tells you that he knows it will be hard but he wants to see a question or two and see if he can understand it.

You then explain to him he needs to know the basic maths before algebra.

The math student says he knows that he just wants to see algebra because he wants to see if he can understand it or not.

You then repeat what you said.

The math student repeats what he says again.

This goes on for an HOUR.

The math student gets pissed off because he knows algebra is going to be hard, he just wants to see if he can understand it.


ffs... can you understand what I want now?
So you basically want to see IF you can understand it.

We are telling you now, so you don't waste your time. You won't understand it.
Quote Originally Posted by Void View Post
So you basically want to see IF you can understand it.

We are telling you now, so you don't waste your time. You won't understand it.
You aren't me, so you wouldn't know. I haven't seen it yet, so I wouldn't know. I want to see it. Thats it, I just gotta see it... I want to read through it, spend hours if not days trying to understand it... And it's not a waste of my time... I've got a lot of time.
Quote Originally Posted by VvITylerIvV View Post
You aren't me, so you wouldn't know. I haven't seen it yet, so I wouldn't know. I want to see it. Thats it, I just gotta see it... I want to read through it, spend hours if not days trying to understand it... And it's not a waste of my time... I've got a lot of time.
If you're arrogant enough to still insist, and you know we won't tell you what to do, why do you stay on this thread and just do a google search?
Quote Originally Posted by VvITylerIvV View Post
You aren't me, so you wouldn't know. I haven't seen it yet, so I wouldn't know. I want to see it. Thats it, I just gotta see it... I want to read through it, spend hours if not days trying to understand it... And it's not a waste of my time... I've got a lot of time.
Yeah you're probably right. I've had a bit of experience with Direct3D ( non-hacking related ) and have been programming for about a year. But you'll still have a better understanding of how DirectX API and a game engine works. Makes perfect sense.
Quote Originally Posted by rtemis View Post


If you're arrogant enough to still insist, and you know we won't tell you what to do, why do you stay on this thread and just do a google search?

Multiple reasons:

1. I've been looking for years to find an open source game engine that is good enough for me to learn off of.
2. I figured that people here have already seen good enough game engines and would be able to refer me to one.
3. Normally the MPGH community is respectful.

Quote Originally Posted by Void View Post
Yeah you're probably right. I've had a bit of experience with Direct3D ( non-hacking related ) and have been programming for about a year. But you'll still have a better understanding of how DirectX API and a game engine works. Makes perfect sense.
Are you saying that to end the argument, or honestly...
Quote Originally Posted by VvITylerIvV View Post
Multiple reasons:

1. I've been looking for years to find an open source game engine that is good enough for me to learn off of.
2. I figured that people here have already seen good enough game engines and would be able to refer me to one.
3. Normally the MPGH community is respectful.



Are you saying that to end the argument, or honestly...
I'm trying to be respectful but you're just too arrogant.
Quote Originally Posted by rtemis View Post


I'm trying to be respectful but you're just too arrogant.
How bout we re-read the entire topic? hmm?


At first, I felt I was pretty polite. Explaining what I wanted and that what you were giving me was absolutely 100% not what I wanted. Near the middle I was getting a bit ticked off, but still somewhat controlling myself. Now, at the end. I'm furious. I have gone through 4 pages almost of explaining that what you are giving me is NOT what I want. And that I know what I want is going to be difficult for me to understand. I've explained that I KNOW everything you've told me but I still want to see it.

Here you go, the entire topic
Quote Originally Posted by VvITylerIvV View Post
Don't flame me. Don't tell me to learn c++ first. Don't tell me I can't do it. Don't tell me I won't be able to do it. Don't tell me it's impossible.

NOTHING is impossible, just difficult. And if it was easy, why would I do it.

I WANT to learn it this way. This is the best way for me to learn about basic c++...


Anyways, enough with the antiflamers. I've learned about loops, if statements, structures, header files, file input/output (kinda... haven't used it yet but I know how to sorta...)

I somewhat understand classes, but to fully understand all these basics, I need to see them in proper use. I need to see how they can be used, how they can be pushed, how they can be combined. And seeing as I am planning on following solo game design (epic fail, I know... But it's my life choice... Lawyer/gameprogrammer), it would be best to see how they can be used in game programming. And seeing as the best place to start game programming is the engine itself. I'd like to either be taught how to make one, or see the code for one.


I plan on using directx and c++.
Are there any books that I can read, or websites that I can read that will teach me how to create a game engine using c++ and directx? Or are there any open source 2d game engines that were created using directx?


If you're going to be telling me to learn c++ first before going into advanced stuff. Get the **** off. It isn't teaching me shiet. It's all common sense and logic in the basic stuff, in the advanced I can LEARN.
Quote Originally Posted by rtemis View Post
Basically. You build things from the ground up. And just saying. It's almost mandatory that you learn STL to make a game engine. Sorry

I recommend you finish your book or whatever you're learning from. Making the engine will be a lot easier, and you'll know more efficient, easier ways of doing things.

And when people have little experience, and try to tackle as something as big as a game engine, which can take years to make, it's just asking for failure. Start simpler, and go from there. Make a pong clone or something. I know, it seems boring and not fun, but if you can actually finish it 100% you'll be another skill level higher. You can't just start making huge projects, which take professionals years to make.

And I'm not flaming you or anything. I'm just being real.
Quote Originally Posted by VvITylerIvV View Post
Then I'll learn STL if I get confused.

not reading a book. I use cplusplus.com/tutorials and look at the code given to me... I then try and change the code to see what I can do with it. If I experience errors, or problems then I go back and I read up on it. If I still don't understand I re-read it, if I still don't understand I give up for a day and come back the next day and re-read it with a clear mind. If then I still don't understand, I re-read everything that could possibly help me on that website, if then I still can't get it I ask for help.
Quote Originally Posted by rtemis View Post


You don't understand you need a complete knowledge of C++ to do these things. Games revolve around objected oriented programming and polymorphism.

Please understand game engines take years to make by professionals.
Quote Originally Posted by VvITylerIvV View Post
I understand that... I never said I wanted to finish making one. I said I want to learn how to make one so I can learn the more basic things. Please understand that.
Quote Originally Posted by Void View Post
It's not going to go how you planned it out. You're going to have to learn DirectX API first, before actually incorporating in your project. After you've grasped Direct3D, then you can start..
Quote Originally Posted by rtemis View Post


If you want to learn more basic things start smaller.

I'm just being real.

A kid can't just play a violin concerto(in this case an engine). He starts with smaller things and masters them(smaller projects), and moves up until he has the skills, technique, and knowledge to play the violin concerto(in this case engine)
Quote Originally Posted by 'Bruno View Post
making a game engine... honestly... nop, it might be really rude.. but you won't even make 1% of it...
You should really train your basic c++ skills... concepts.. etc.. Then do what everyone is saying... Learn D3D.. etc.. This takes time.

You can try a simple game.. but a engine...

~ Fixed by hell ~
Quote Originally Posted by rtemis View Post


Exactly what i tried to say. If you start big you're set for failure.
Quote Originally Posted by VvITylerIvV View Post
Are you going to help me with what I asked for, or continue ignoring what I asked you NOT to do. If you're going to ignore me then go away, find somebody who will accept your help. I don't want your help.
Quote Originally Posted by Hell_Demon View Post
Not gonna happen.
Quote Originally Posted by Void View Post
Game engine is kind of a big project for anyone who's on their own.. Think smaller..
Quote Originally Posted by VvITylerIvV View Post
Not with that attitude. Posting here and not answering my question is the same as telling a dead man to die -- it's useless.





I KNOW IT'S A BIG PROJECT. THATS WHY I WANTED THIS PROJECT.
Quote Originally Posted by Void View Post
It's not just big.. For you, it's impossible.
Quote Originally Posted by rtemis View Post
Dude. I'm just being fucking real.
Quote Originally Posted by Hell_Demon View Post
No... That's more like stating the obvious.

There is no way a beginner in C++ can write a game engine, no matter how much time he puts into it...

I've been programming in C++ since I was 9(and i'm 2 months away from being 18), and I am not able to write a game engine.
I only know the hack part of D3D, never worked with normal D3D code.
Quote Originally Posted by VvITylerIvV View Post
I do not want to FINISH IT. I want to TRY. What part of that don't you understand.

Please think before posting next time. Is your goddamn post going to help me or tell me the "truth".
Quote Originally Posted by rtemis View Post
Why try what you won't finish? Finish a smaller project like a pong or tetris clone or something and i'll be impressed
Quote Originally Posted by Void View Post
WTF 9 years of coding?? Holy Jesus.. I started like, just over a year ago....
Quote Originally Posted by -Raz0r- View Post
If you want a challenge, go ahead and make one. Why do you need us?
You ask for advice, we give you advice and you reject it.
Perhaps we just won't give advice to someone as rude as you.

This seems to be a recurring thing for you.
Get your priorities straight and stop being so ambitious. Really.

Requesting closure of this thread -_-
Quote Originally Posted by rtemis View Post


Truth.
Over ambitiousness leads to failure
Quote Originally Posted by VvITylerIvV View Post
Thats what I'm doing right now... I was already working on a pong clone using c++ and direct3d. I obviously know and understand I will never be able to finish a complete game engine. I simple want to look at it and see the code behind it. See what I can change, and all that stuff. See how the classes are being used, how the functions are being used. New ideas for new functions that I can use in my programs. I just want to see the damn code. Why is that so damn hard to understand.




I specifically said I do NOT want to be told I can't do it. I specifically said I do NOT want to be told it's impossible. I specifically said I do NOT want to be told to learn c++, do basic things first. And yet theres three pages of people telling me these.

And I accept advice, when its advice that I need. If I don't need it or want it then I will reject it. Because it has no use for me.

My priorities are straight, and I'm not being ambitious. I'm trying to learn. And you can't request closure of somebody else's thread. For multiple reasons
1. It's not your thread.
2. It may not need to be closed
3. It may not be resolved.

It's not resolved and therefore does not need to be closed.






I know that, I know I won't finish it. I know it's not going to happen. I don't need others telling me that.
Quote Originally Posted by rtemis View Post


There is no code behind it. You make the code behind it.
If you want to see how classes and functions are being used why not test in a simple console application?
Quote Originally Posted by VvITylerIvV View Post
There is code behind a game engine.

I want to see how classes and functions are being used in the game engine.

IDGAF about simple things... They're simple.
Quote Originally Posted by rtemis View Post


Seriously. Stop being so fucking arrogant. You need to start simple. Fucking understand that and stop thinking you're too good for simple things. Because quite honestly, you don't have the right to say IDGAF about simple things, if you just learned how to use an array and don't even fully understand classes, Nor do you know the limitations of [php]cin >> [/php]
Quote Originally Posted by 'Bruno View Post
we are helping you by saying what to do..

offtopic: lol nice one HD /

edit: lulz this is going on 3rd page and i answered a first page think... /stupid
Quote Originally Posted by VvITylerIvV View Post
I understand the limitations of cin >> it's just extremely glitchy for me, I've copied and pasted code from another site and it fucks up. I don't know why, I don't know how, and I can't understand how that could possibly happen but it does. It's not that I don't understand, it's that it doesn't work properly for me.
I knew how to USE an array but I had a simple question that you didn't fucking understand. Thank god hell was there to answer my question with what? 12 words? maybe 20.
I do have the right to say IDGAF about simple things. I don't want to fucking learn about classes in a damn console application. I want to see them in use by a professional. Jesus Christ. Tell me a good 2d open source engine made with directx/c++ or gtfo already.




I appreciate your help Brinuz you do what you think is best but if I ask you not to, you don't continue. Thanks for that
Quote Originally Posted by rtemis View Post


Why should we help you if you're being an arrogant asshole and rejecting our advice? Learn things in a console. You still have no right to say IDGAF about simple things. You can't understand them in a professional way because you're no way close to that.

Arrogant asshole. We give advice. You reject it. Why don't you gtfo?
Quote Originally Posted by VvITylerIvV View Post
You aren't giving advice, I asked you NOT to say what you've said. And you continue on. Look at the ENTIRE three pages of posts, then come back and say you're right and I'm wrong. The entire damn time I've said I KNOW ITS NOT GOING TO FUCKING WORK I JUST NEED TO SEE IT. But you continue on. I say it again, and again, and again, and again, you are now purposely trying to piss me off. So if you aren't going to answer my fucking question get the fuck off.
Quote Originally Posted by rtemis View Post


I'm speaking the truth. I'm being real. Stop being so arrogant.
Quote Originally Posted by VvITylerIvV View Post
I KNOW the damn truth. I KNOW I won't finish it. I KNOW I need to know more basic c++ to understand even the simplest things in the game engine. I KNOW it takes years. I KNOW I don't know much c++. I KNOW all this shit.

I still want to see the fucking code behind it, so I can see how it's being used. Jesus Christ, what part of that don't you understand...
Quote Originally Posted by rtemis View Post
The part that you reject the only advice given.
Quote Originally Posted by VvITylerIvV View Post
The advice given is the advice I specifically asked you NOT to give me. By asking NOT to give it to me, I clearly aknowledge the fact that I already know all that. And yet you continue to tell me this stuff.


Here, lets basically say how this conversation is going.

There is a grade 4 math student and you and the math student has a question.

The grade 4 math student wants to know how to do algebra, and specifically tells you that he knows it will be hard but he wants to see a question or two and see if he can understand it.

You then explain to him he needs to know the basic maths before algebra.

The math student says he knows that he just wants to see algebra because he wants to see if he can understand it or not.

You then repeat what you said.

The math student repeats what he says again.

This goes on for an HOUR.

The math student gets pissed off because he knows algebra is going to be hard, he just wants to see if he can understand it.


I need to go to work now, think about what I've said and asked. Think about what you've said and recommended. Then either tell me a good engine or don't post. In fact, me, the topic starter is requesting you do NOT post unless you are going to be telling me a good engine. I believe it's counted as spam if you do anything else.

ffs... can you understand what I want now?
You should be grateful that we're actually giving advice
I don't really feel like reading 5 pages of posts. I'm gonna code now. Bye.
Quote Originally Posted by rtemis View Post
I don't really feel like reading 5 pages of posts. I'm gonna code now. Bye.
It's not because you don't want to read 5 pages, it's because you don't want to be proven wrong.

Bye, have a nice day. I figure that because you've participated in the entire thing. Therefore, you already know what all the posts are.
I see a 5 pages "flame war"
Quote Originally Posted by 'Bruno View Post
I see a 5 pages "flame war"
I see a 5 Pages of Lulz =).

Hey Kido, You won't make it, Alright, And Pasting isn't coding, Get your facts straight and learn the Basis.

Oh Noes !~ This is not "What you want to Hear".
Well, Live with it, We won't help you to fail.
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